What went wrong? Is it the game or the grenre?

[Welsper59]

1. We all like to craft, but there is no point the market in our server is crashed, or better to say there is no market.

-You put big effort to gather matirials and craft items but for what, in the end you have to sell them for 35gills or 120gills, this is so demotivating and waste of time. One big point of a MMO is the market, to see your hard work how it pays off and with it you may affored something for witch you desire and get it.And instead SE to save the market what do they do....they put NPCs in witch you can buy matirials lvl 30 and above.......siriosly, i spent mounts to develop my charcter and gather matirials so that in the end you put NPCs where all can buy those matirials !!!!!!

2. There is no Open World content.

- This is supposed to be an Open World in witch you can do meany things with your friends and other people. But right now this is a DN World you sit and wait to go in it.
- A lot of people including me, have created Threads or Posts with ideas, witch are great and simple to do for an open world content. No response from the SE team about Open World content.

3.The Housing fiasco. That we are locked from this content in a game for witch we pay 12 euros fee.

-For most of us this is a big deal believe it or not. How to put it the house in the game is for us like the real home, apartment, house in our real world. We wanted to make our homes, craft the things witch we needed gather the matirials, and do all this together.Now we cant do it, and why you aske, because SE cant keep up with the demand of the housing content and they cant handle RMT and Bots in their OWN Game !!!!!!!!!!!


4. The stupid vote kick system !

- The people witch are abusing it are now FAR FAR a lot more then the people witch were AFK-ing back then. And what about the Withdraw madness too.


5. The conection issue witch a lot of us still got when we fight.

- Again we pay you money so that we dont get such problems, like hell i personaly never got such problems in Free to Play MMOs.

1) Extremely exaggerated. It doesn't matter what server you're on, there is a market. You just won't make millions from a single piece of crafted gear. You will however find a steady stream of income (anywhere from 1-20k or more per sale) for crafted or gathering mats if you know what to make. Just like RL, making gil in this games economy is not a matter of "I reached max level so I should get a billion gil for nothing", you need to find what sells. Stock and demand. It requires a marginal level of thought.

2) Agreed. Open world content is severely lacking in this game. Content creators need to understand that "content" does not just mean something for endgame purpose.

3) Wrong perspective. You, and sooooooo many others, are looking at FC housing as personal housing. It's a group effort. If I had at least 10 other people making gil at the rate I do when I try to, I guarantee that I could afford a medium FC house relatively quick (within 1-2 months of ~10hrs a week of playtime). FC houses are long term goals for A GROUP OF PLAYERS, not an individual player. If your FC has 50 people actively playing, but no one is contributing except only 5 people (that are putting in below average effort in getting a medium/large house), you're gonna be spending quite a long time getting there.

4) Agreed, but it's the players you need to blame on that. SE could shutdown the entire game and blame it on the playerbase for abusing things that shouldn't be abused. They would be 100% correct about it too. They're just not that irrational, thankfully.

5) Connection issues are indeed a fault on their end, in most cases. They didn't plan for so many people to be playing. As a result, they only prepared servers to handle what seems to be less than 50k players worldwide. I recently upgraded my connection speed and I no longer have any lag problems. I honestly despise the monopolization by American ISPs but they're the only real option available to us currently.

[MikoteAstra]

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Nobody in this game can expect to make millions from sales, and this is because how SE made it for now. Here are my points.

- Why the hell we cant trade Primal Weapons. Instead of making the primals easier every patch keep them at same lvl and allow us to trade them, they will be rare hard to get and indeed will cost you millions to buy them.

- Why we cant trade the armors from dn. People have hard time to get the entire sets and a lot of them will pay for surtain pieces. Again stupid decision from SE.

- I dont know by you in your server but this 12k sale you speak of is fairy tale story by me.... most expencive items go from 1k-3k and the prices go dowen by every day. Not to mention nobody buys. And when you put something for sale after 1h you will see that 20 more people have put it but for a lot cheaper then you.

- SE put more NPCs from witch people will buy matirials crafted and gathering once, armors people dont buy them, because they can get them from npc too.

- Be for patch 2.1 the markets maybe were bad but now simply we dont have eany. So good luck making money, and if you think is ok to sell your crafted matirials witch you spend hours to gather and make them, for like 80-40 gills i would say simply wow. Ive playied enough MMOs and i really like crafting and i can tell you such economy like in FF14 in no other game exists, simply because in FF14 there is no economy, and all this is because of SE decisions.


About the FC Housing.

- We never looked at it as personal one. We spend months of getting gill for the Houses we developed our crafted classes gahtered matirals etc. for the patch 2.1.

- And what happned, they destroied the market the one thing from witch we had stady income and put Imposable prices for housing. And all this why.... because they cant deal with RMT and the demand of fro the content in their OWN game, in their OWN game !!!!!!

- We never expected to get the midium or high wealth houses from day one. Simply because we are small company and we are casual palyers, and we dont have 12h day to play the game.

- But when your income comes only from grinding same dns every day, in witch you will get trolled or kicked or you have to wait like me 1h30min to go in, tell me how meany people can you ask to do this and then give the money for the housing, how meany of them will do it and have fun.....almsot 0 !

- And yeah i know treasure hunting then again is same story as the dn.


And about the voting actualy is SE to be blamed

1. Because they didnt set rules for the voting and didnt put them on the webside.

2. SE didnt ask the players , where we could vote if we want it or not. I can tell you a lot a lot of players were against the system, because they knew it would be abused a lot.

[Zanfire]

Patch 2.2 by the look of it is even worse it brings nothing new excepet more quests, i have enough of more armors and more dns, we got for now planty of them.

i made a joke about this in "that thread that got deleted". Basically i said im a future seer and we will have a dungeon layout that will go: trash mobs > boss1 > trash mobs >boss2 >trash mobs > boss3 = end (dropping gear weaker then we have already). Then i mentioned levi will be in a small circle arena with a "nails" mechanic, plenty of dodging and will drop weapons weaker than we already have...we will later have an XTREME! mode with accessorys. Likely a few quests we will blow right through in a weekend afternoon (only the hildabrand will be worth the story) and more of the same being added on to what we already have....thats about the most of it.

If you expect more than that your expectations are too damn high for a mediocre MMO. And if what im saying is pretty much right on...my money every month will go back in my pocket along with a few RL friends.

[mythicrose]

To be fair, Panda....this has been around even in the height of World of Warcraft's glory days. People got max rank, got their gear, went through the week's raid, then had little to nothing else to do the rest of the time. The main difference is that weren't as many MMOs to swap between. Your choice was the less grindy WoW or going to a grindy MMO such as FXI, UO, EQ, EQ2, SWG.

Most just stayed put in WoW. WoW is an anomaly. Could even Blizzard replicate that MMO's success? I highly doubt it. It took elements from previous MMOs (as each successive one does) but was the first to make the level up grind less tedious. No exp death on death. No full body looting pvp. Nothing but an insignificant walk to your corpse and slight stat debuff.

I'm not knocking WoW. The above conditions appealed to a much broader player base that didn't want (or have) 6+ hours to get any form of progression on their character. The one game I felt had the leveling process was great was SWTOR. Unfortunately, it didn't having "everything" in place for the "end game" crowd. I can't imagine how difficult it is for subsequent MMOs to compete to games that have years and years of content added.


If WoW launched in today's market with the expectations of today's MMO gamers, I highly doubt it would be doing any better than FXIV. Players demend more content than can be reasonabley created in MMOs now. Investors are also pushing games in to the market before they are ready. This causes games to be incomplete, lack content, etc. (Warhammer Online as an example of that). Realm Reborn has it's issues, but changes to slow leveling, making crafting worthwhile, exploration worth while, etc would have to fall to an expansion at this point. Even that has issues....if the expansion leveling/dungeon/raid/pvp/crafting is consumed too quickly you're back to current issue. If it's too slow you bleed players from boredom as well.

[Dyvid]

What went wrong? Is it the game or the genre?

Player > Genre > Game in that order.

I find the this post and replies actually funny. FFXIV:ARR is not the first version of this game. In fact SE defied conventionally wisdom and launched a game the minority say they want, a sandbox. It bombed badly. The reality is SE tried it your way and it didn't work.

[Atheena]

Player > Genre > Game in that order.

I find the this post and replies actually funny. FFXIV:ARR is not the first version of this game. In fact SE defied conventionally wisdom and launched a game the minority say they want, a sandbox. It bombed badly. The reality is SE tried it your way and it didn't work.

Actually they didn't do a sandbox game in 1.0! 1.0 was rushed onto the market by SE Investors! 1.0 was still in an Alpha stage.

[mikoto_qc]

Does that mean that Yoshi.P have failed? Or just succeed to make fast Cash in SE Pocket?

I have start playing this game durng V1. around patch 1.19 and right now i can tell you that i liked the V1 from that point till it got closed. Yes content was frustrating in some way. The lag was way more painful then right now. But still the core of the game was great. Took me week and week to get my Craft lvl to 50. not 1-2 dyas. I think if Yoshi and his team have kept the Core of V1 and changed what didnt worked well(such as the area copy-paste, lag) at the end it would have been a great game. Skyrmish was fun, Hamlet defense in some way was fun and different, low drop rate give me reason to keep doing the content in place, the econmy and craft has it reason to exist.

and all this v

Usually I like to craft, but there seems little use for it in this game. I love housing... we know how that has gone so far.
The world is very closed, corridored, or however you wish to put it.
Coil lockout is frustrating and unsatisfying.
Loot tier system doesn't make sense to me. Why do we get tokens for i90 gear in i50 dungeons?
Leveling is WAY too fast.

[Goodberry]

Mankind has gone wrong. Mankind. :P

[Mook_Mook]

I never liked crafting in 1.0 but I was glad it.rewarded.people for hard work. now I'm almost all 50s and it feels unsatisfying and I think that sums it up. it just doesn't feel satisifying. minus having a flawless titan ex run

[Arrakis]

I'd hazard to guess it's a mixture of both. While I do enjoy FFXIV I pretty much log in and finish everything I need to do by the end of Tuesday night (Coils 1-5, CT, Extremes). Once everything is done there is nothing to keep me interested in the game. Certainly dailies don't interest me enough to force me to log in for a few hours every day to do them. Most of the game is repetitive and while I enjoy coils after four month's even it's becoming stale. CT is painful most of the time I do it so I just take the first piece that might be useful to one of my jobs and call it day. Once my weekly goals are done I just feel like I'm wasting time when logged in. 10 years ago when I was in HS I could probably play 12 hours straight (like I did in XI) without feeling guilty but I guess now that I'm older I'd rather do things around the house, walk the dogs, or go out to dinner with friends over running around the game all day doing the same things again and again and again.