Odd healing question

[Seryl199]

I don't think it's worth my time to let them die over it, but I definitely withhold heals. Usually I play the one percent game, which I think is more torturous. Watching the explosion of CD's is a riot when they hit <20%. Usually they get the hint after a couple pulls, but if not, I still have entertainment at the end of the day

[Odd]

A lot of logical, reasonable points.

You sir, taught me a valuable lesson in writing this. I have been guilty of doing just what the OP did on more than one occasion. I can't argue with you, as you're right. I'm just sorry it took you spelling it out for me to get it.

[Katchii]

Anyway ... Was it wrong of me to do that? Should I have kept Eos out and healed the Lancer? Or was it completely ok to 'teach the DPS a lesson' in this manner?

No point in trying to heal the user debuff "stupid," you did exactly what I would have done. If they can't follow kill order, you're doing the player base a favor by letting them die.

Refusing to tank or heal for someone is equivalent to a DPS saying they will AFK until they get protect or stoneskin, which is also a plate full of BS.

I agree with your post, it's true.

However, a DPS job is not just to DPS it's to stay alive because a dead DPS does no DPS. If a DPS is actively "trying" to get himself killed he's being a detriment to the party. It's not hard to keep him healed, but allowing him to continue ignoring the kill order set by the tank, the de facto lead in 99% of PuG groups, is enabling him to be detrimental to the party. Again, yes...in those levels it's easy to ignore a lot of things and just power through it...but when a tank is taking the time to set a kill order why wouldn't you follow it when the run would go smoother? Why should the rest of the party have to adapt to someone who obviously has no respect or courtesy for them?

[Penguinmayhem]

The problem with that is, too many people simply don't want to hear anything. They don't want to communicate, they just want to run through a dungeon as fast as possible and in do whatever they like. Trying to communicate with some people is totally pointless, because they either don't care, or are themselves so self-absorbed that they're convinced their way is best and will simply resent you for suggesting otherwise.

I understand that playing a game like this means making compromises, because you won't always click with everyone you meet and sometimes you just need to be willing to bend to other players' needs. Acting petty over a thing like this, and the passive-aggressive approach of "well if you don't cooperate I won't heal you" is not a good approach, because it just aggravates the situation, but simply putting up with it and even accommodating someone who is legitimately playing poorly in a way that makes the game harder for others around them is promoting selfish, inconsiderate behaviour in the community. It's not good for this game, it's not good for MMOs in general, it's just not good period.

[Thebob89]

I'll admit, when I first started I was bad about ignoring the marks and pulling aggro. Tho like I said I was new. I didn't understand the concept of pulling aggro, or how the entire process worked. I woke sleeping targets and just generally screwed the pooch as a dps. More than a few times I had healers refuse to heal, and tanks refuse to pull aggro off me. The only thing that reall accomplesed was puting me in a "screw them" mind set. Then I switched classes, went healer... Face palmed when I started to realize just what I had been doing. In truth players who don't learn early on will eventually become a drag sail for future dungeons unless they learn the hard way... But direct aggression is not a good stand to take, a simple explanation as to the why their method of play is hurting the group has far more impact, and this is coming from one of those bad players.

[Fynlar]

If people can't do something really simple like follow a marked kill order even after being requested to, I am perfectly willing to let them die until they learn to follow basic instructions, or leave in frustration.

Don't care if anyone thinks that's morally "wrong" or whatever for a healer to do. I am not there to babysit twits. You do your job right, and I'll do mine. If you clearly don't give a rat's ass, why should I?

[YuiKitahara]

Usually I would heal through it if dps got aggro ang strong enough to tank it. If not I will give suggestions as OP. at least to keep tank safe is priority, and let that dps die if I really can't handle it. I'll do the same to this lancer but, will not want to party with him again lol.

[Bigpurpleharness]

OP

That's pretty much what I do. Quite frankly, there is just no benefit to not attacking shit in the right order, period. I'm not doing double time and making this run take longer because YOU don't want a synapse to fire in your brain. If you attack the right target, I can nuke much more without trying to mend-paper(Heal a DPS).

[Kallale]

You shouldn't be surprised that there are consequences when dealing with human beings. Most times I don't care if dps go full retard, sometimes I do. Sometimes I've had a bad day and want to relax. You're actions have consequences. If you are acting like a fool expect to be treated like one, in real life as well as in a video game. If you expect someone to continue playing nice when you're the one who's breaking etiquette, then you are just being unrealistic. It's not your game time and it's not my game time. It's our game time right up until I decide I don't want to spend it with you anymore.

[Deelo]

Slark's post said it all. I hate entitled healers and tanks.