Class Cap in 50 Bracket

[LongNu]

Well, since SE wishes to go with 'easy' fixes - why not do the same idea here: Disallow any non-job classes (IE: LNC, MRD, PUG, THM etc) to queue in 50 brackets. This will help solve inbalances without nerfing Jobs. This way, for example, WAR won't have to receive any significant nerfs whilst dealing with the overtuned MRD.

I'm sure it was not intentional for non-job classes to be outperforming their successors.

[Deca]

easier fix is to make all the pvp gear job specific

[Zabuza]

You know something's wrong when a basic class is more viable in PvP than the advanced job.

[astrobearthe2nd]

You know something's wrong when a basic class is more viable in PvP than the advanced job.

lol you are funny man. your job is a strict specialization,while your classes is a is more lenient in it specialization. for example, the War tank soul gem specialized in TANKING. all its abilities is for reducing incoming damage or taking preventive steps to not die after a hit.all the cross skills war has ties into tanking. the mrd class, however, has far more dps options due to all the cross skills it can equipped.it is still a tank, but isnt tie down like war because it class isnt fully a strict tank.in the future Mrd will get a dps job to specialize in damage dealer, while maintaining alot of it tanking abilities. does this mean the future mrd dps is broken? no of course not.

Well, since SE wishes to go with 'easy' fixes - why not do the same idea here: Disallow any non-job classes (IE: LNC, MRD, PUG, THM etc) to queue in 50 brackets. This will help solve inbalances without nerfing Jobs. This way, for example, WAR won't have to receive any significant nerfs whilst dealing with the overtuned MRD.


I'm sure it was not intentional for non-job classes to be outperforming their successors.

you are also funny as hell. the reason why war is outplayed by mrd is simply due to more crosskills...that is it. a gld can be better than pld in dps and so forth for all classes without a dps job.i mean, if you want to ban base classes, you should just go for broke and ban all cross skills

Yes, we know it's because of cross-class skills, doesn't refute anything I've said. WAR pales compared to MRD in PvP. PLD, on the other hand, does not to GLD. Neither does DRG to LNC.

umm what i said does refute you. the war and mrd is the same except if the war tank is tie down because if we use defiance, that a 33% dmg decrease and all of main abilities is tie into defiance. mrd, on the other hand, have all the damage increase cross skills to improved it dps. and LOL, a gld w/ cross skills is SOOOOOOOO much better than pld. i run a premade with a gld that owns hard. you dont have to lie to prove your point. we get it, you just dont want mrd in lvl 50 pvp.

and i see you ignore the first part about jobs being strict specialization. that tell me you have no interest in a actual debate, but just want to impose what you think and damn all other logic. ok

[LongNu]

you are also funny as hell. the reason why war is outplayed by mrd is simply due to more crosskills...that is it. a gld can be better than pld in dps and so forth for all classes without a dps job.i mean, if you want to ban base classes, you should just go for broke and ban all cross skills

Yes, we know it's because of cross-class skills, doesn't refute anything I've said. WAR pales compared to MRD in PvP. PLD, on the other hand, does not to GLD. Neither does DRG to LNC.

[TaneshimaPopura]

You are a joke if you think GLD with full access to cross skill is stronger than PLD. Even Sword Oath beats out most stuff you can cross, not to mention Spirit Within. And Cover and Hallowd Ground which do wonders. Problem with MRD being strong is due to having Maim on top of Berserk. Pushing all CDs a MRD is capable of dealing 97% more damage on average not accounting Internal Release and Straight shot.

As someone who played MRD to Rank 30 before switching to BLM and now going 40 PvP Monk. I'd say MRDs are the single class that can almost reliably carry a team with gear. My server's penta-melded MRD Rank 30 (Miyabi Jeanmarie - Carbuncle) can pretty much roll over anything in one combo. Gladiator can never hope to achieve that level of carry. What a Paladin can do is annoy the shit out of people and do 12 seconds lockdown kills, pop Hallowed Ground if you think people is going to CC you during your 12 seconds stun. And lets not forget Flash Blind which is very strong when guarding your healer paired with cover.

[deki]

We just need some ranks... r30 Ranked Matches with two options: SOLO queue or 4s queue. Until this we'll keep watching lucky games or unfair grinder playstyle gamers.

[Zabuza]

and i see you ignore the first part about jobs being strict specialization. that tell me you have no interest in a actual debate, but just want to impose what you think and damn all other logic. ok

How can one debate with someone who is unable to even perform correct sentence structure? We know you want MRD to remain FOTM but man, could you be less obvious?

[LongNu]

You are a joke if you think GLD with full access to cross skill is stronger than PLD. Even Sword Oath beats out most stuff you can cross, not to mention Spirit Within. And Cover and Hallowd Ground which do wonders. Problem with MRD being strong is due to having Maim on top of Berserk. Pushing all CDs a MRD is capable of dealing 97% more damage on average not accounting Internal Release and Straight shot.

My server's penta-melded MRD Rank 30 (Miyabi Jeanmarie - Carbuncle) can pretty much roll over anything in one combo. Gladiator can never hope to achieve that level of carry. What a Paladin can do is annoy the shit out of people and do 12 seconds lockdown kills, pop Hallowed Ground if you think people is going to CC you during your 12 seconds stun. And lets not forget Flash Blind which is very strong when guarding your healer paired with cover.

Pretty much this. PLD is excellent for what it does. I'd never take a GLD over that and it's as you said, concerning MRD - it's far too overtuned.

[Telepathic]

Pretty much this. PLD is excellent for what it does. I'd never take a GLD over that and it's as you said, concerning MRD - it's far too overtuned.

The problem is that you have to give up useful PLD abilities if you go GLD. Forcing someone to queue as WAR is forcing them play as a gimped MRD that can use Inner Beast once a minute. The problem with WAR is that not only does it have abilities that are weak in PVP, but it has access to only one decent PVP cross class ability(Internal Release). If Bards didn't have access to LNC CC abilities they would go as ARC also.

If you think MRD is too strong and want to force people to go as WAR then you need to make the WAR crystal useful in PVP.