Disappointments and regrets of FFXIV

[Chayala]

I actually quit Tera because it went P2W. But as was said there are many alternatives to many different people's tastes. Many people enjoy a sense of community that an MMo can foster. This game doesn't do that. as I believe was brought up with the whole FC's that HAVE to form cliques if they want to do content or even CT because you can't even make an alliance for your own people. Daily roulette is pretty much done by everyone who wants stones or to get exp because of how much of a bonus you get from it. This game right now has stale or underwhelming content. I'm going to probably take some flak for this, but other games have the right of it (just like FFXI did sorta) that leveling jobs should be harder or at least take longer. A larger world slower leveling and other things would have kept the problems many see from being that.

[Nadrojj]

I like the game, I really do. There are things I dislike, things I hope they change and things that I have just come to accept are not going anywhere. At my age (31) this will be the last hurrah of MMO's for me, after spending 8 years in final fantasy 11 I'm hoping this game can give me half the entertainment and giddy feelings that got me hooked on 11. I'd give anything to have some of that old 2004 FFXI rousing content that kept me logging in day after day. I am not going anywhere, I have goals in game and I enjoy it enough to justify spending 9.99 a month, I'll continue to put my trust in Yoshi and hope he will take this game to new heights.

[indira]

FFXI was released in NA in 2002, giving it 6 years to reach this stage of content you mention. ARR was released in Aug 2013.

FFXIV came out in 2010 they had to redo it, yet still broken in 2014. FFXI even in 2003 when the usa launch it had better balance of game there.

[Welsper59]

Well, 2 points here:

1) You're also spending time, not just money.

And

2) It depends on what else you can get for $12.

If you don't have anything better to do with your time and/or money then I agree that $12 for FFXIV is a really good deal. I think you'll find though that there's stiff competition in the game business for your $12, which means getting something better than what FFXIV has to offer currently isn't an unrealistic expectation.

As a consumer, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. A lot of people are here because of the FF name. It holds a certain appeal to it that most other franchises don't have. A lot of people will value the FF name alone in giving their own views. Is it right of them to do so? Most definitely. Again, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. It doesn't matter if someone "deludes" themselves into liking something others may not. A huge number of people hate FFXI, while many of us loved it for the reasons people hated it.

Bottom line is if you want to play something, play it. If you value something that others don't, value it. Who gives a damn if you're spending time on something that you enjoy. If you're enjoying the experience, it's worth the time and money. Playing these games should never be viewed as a contract or job. They might require commitments of time similar to that of a job, but if it's bringing about something you want to enjoy or experience, it's probably worth it.

[Purrfectstorm]

As a consumer, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. A lot of people are here because of the FF name. It holds a certain appeal to it that most other franchises don't have. A lot of people will value the FF name alone in giving their own views. Is it right of them to do so? Most definitely. Again, time is only relevant to value and/or enjoyment. It doesn't matter if someone "deludes" themselves into liking something others may not. A huge number of people hate FFXI, while many of us loved it for the reasons people hated it.

Bottom line is if you want to play something, play it. If you value something that others don't, value it. Who gives a damn if you're spending time on something that you enjoy. If you're enjoying the experience, it's worth the time and money. Playing these games should never be viewed as a contract or job. They might require commitments of time similar to that of a job, but if it's bringing about something you want to enjoy or experience, it's probably worth it.

I think you misunderstood me because we're not in disagreement. I was comparing spending x amount of time and money on one game vs. x amount of time and money on another game. Enjoyment is what's important and if you're getting that for the time you spend and the money you pay, then it's probably worth it. Provided another game doesn't exist or come along that provides even more enjoyment for the time and money spent. I'm not going to argue whether such a game exists because that's entirely dependent on personal tastes. In fact, right now I am subbing to FFXIV even though I'm barely playing, just because $12 is still a great deal for the amount I do play. My main point I guess is that FFXIV sets a really low bar and if I can sub to a game I'll end up playing and enjoying more, it only makes sense to do so.

What gets me is when some posters (not referring to you but others I've seen who have done so) call the player base "entitled" on this point (expecting max value per $ spent) when it's actually the game companies who are acting "entitled" (expecting players to pay for a product inferior to that of their competitors). And it's also my opinion that slapping the "Final Fantasy" name onto a game is what is allowing them to do this because of what you already mentioned: Players will pay because it is Final Fantasy. Except I'm not sure that means something anymore.

[dejavutwo]

The thing that bothers me most about the game is that it has so many self-defeating features.

Jobs/Classes - A big feature of the game was being able to customize your character by taking abilities from other classes, but jobs are so much better that they obsolete classes. Jobs provide a significant stat boost and some very important role specific abilities. On the other side of the coin, abilities that are able to be used cross-class are generally defensive cooldowns or a few utility abilities. There is no real customization or versatility gained by a class because each class is so tied to core rotation, and the abilities available for cross class are generally quite sub-par.On top of that, jobs limit the skills you can take down to two other classes so with 5 cross class selectable skills you have more than enough to grab the 1 or 2 that are worthwhile than the extras just pad out your hotbar with skills that you will never use.

Take Monk/Pugalist as an example. As a monk I am specailized do dps. I gain the abilities Fists of Fire for a 5% damage boost as well as dragon kick to reduce the enemy's defense and a stat boost. If I forgo all that, I sacrifice a huge portion of my dps but I am unable to build into either a tank or healer role because I will not have the health/defense or aggro generation to offtank anything, nor will I have the mana to heal or do any ranged dps, leaving pugalist obsolete.

Chocobo Companions - Can't queue for a dungeon and they soak up a large portion of the xp you gain, so the only reason to level them would be for bragging rights. The overworld is the only place they are useable, but the overworld is quite safe, so no real point to them.

Dye System - Whats the point of having a dye system if all the gear people use can't be dyed?

Materia System - The only piece of materia I ever had melded was for my relic quest. I forgot materia even existed until I started going over this list.

Housing and furniture - I get that housing was supposed to remove gil from the economy, but the way it was implemented did a lot more harm than good. Houses are insanely expensive, causing players to horde gil as well as putting more materials on the board in an effort to make something, causing prices on everything to crash. Furniture will not have any market around it for the foreseeable future because nobody has houses to put the furniture in, and even the rare furniture pieces are becoming overly abundant.

[Pinworms]

Titan hm and extreme. Also the smn job and it's summons

[Felis]

Also Random roulette groups. Can't group up with others and que for those.

Only for 2.1

[gadenp]

Guys, time will tell if FF will succeed or not. Till then, forums is not the be all and end all of the FF gaming community and thus it is a really bad means to judge if a game is liked or not.

Only time will tell. There are always many sides and many preferences. Stated your preference in "Doom and Gloom" does nothing much except spawn threads and arguments like this.

So for all that are unhappy, please state why and seek other meaning forms of entertainment or stay and enjoy the good, those that are happy just state why and please do not feed the threads.

I have played so many MMOs and games across 35 years. In forums it is always the same thing. The game might change. The agreements might change. But the same "Doom and Gloom" warfare between factions stay the same. And after many many MMOs, you know what. All the effort and time spend of fighting here... Barely makes a dent in Real Life and to game development.

Only thing that make big changes are numbers. So guys, please act with your feet and money. Words especially in forums where the vocal minority battle it out, is and has never been a good place for developers to actually make decisions by.

And if you guys think developers will read and learn from threads where forumers do war in. You need to think again.

Lets remove the combative threads and be adults here.

That way, there is a way higher chance that what we discuss and the outcome of said discussions will be taken note of by the developers.

[astrobearthe2nd]

Nice to see you supporting so many games. I'm willing to bet you pay for them because you play and and enjoy them still, and find the content worth paying for right? You more than likely play at a very slow pace and enjoy the game because you feel there is a wealth of content ahead of you. Checking your lodestone profile you have one DOW class, it's level 11. Your blacksmith is level 20. To put that into perspective I leveled my botanist more in one day than you have combined levels. .

yes i support all those games because i liked them and want to see those games continue.i dont like alot of things what swtor does and will do (nor the direction of sdgo is going either), but i support those games because i am fan of those series.

Checking your lodestone profile you have one DOW class, it's level 11. Your blacksmith is level 20. To put that into perspective I leveled my botanist more in one day than you have combined levels. .

really? did you really did the "imma gonna check your lodestone"? because this isnt my main account.this is my main account
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1515164
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2175723/

and LOL if you check my character name again, i sporting out a new toon. SE ban my first account from the forums because i said dickish things. this account is made so i can post on the forum.

Of course you're going to say this game is great if and will continue to play it because you have little to no time invested in it and enjoy it casually..

so? yes i enjoy ARR alot. is that a crime ?

I bet you'll pick up wildstar and try that out and eve TESO too, which isn't a crime but I feel like you're missing the point that is being made. That being said I don't fault anyone who currently "likes" or is "happy" with the game so far, but they are usually the ones who haven't put a ton of time into it.

nope, i dont care about eso, wildstar or EQnext or whatever. when i chose a game, i stay with it until the end of that game life spam. dude, you dont know nothing me and vice versa. please dont assumed things based off from each other lodestone.