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    Benediction delay and CD needs to be fixed

    How many times do we need to post in these forums until they actually fix Benediction? The animation for casting causes enough of a delay that often times it will bounce off your target and heal you instead (because your target is now dead of course). If this ability was a true instant cast, it would not "bounce" off your target but heal them to 100% and work as described. We were doing Garuda XM last night and it happened, like it has happened so many times before. It is so irritating to look down and see not only did your tank die but you now have the ridiculous 5 minute cool down on benediction. Which leads to point number 2. The cool down on Benediction is way way way too long. A reasonable CD for this ability would be 2 minutes, but 5 is just to long.
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    I just have two questions for you coming from someone who also plays WHM heals....

    1. Why are you waiting to the point that a cast bar would be too long to throw a heal and also too long for the animation of Benediction to happen before you actually pop it? I agree, it says Instant and I get your frustration with it, but if you are waiting that long to pop it when you really should have popped it a GCD ago, the Tank was dying anyway. Also, I've had a Lustrate on my SCH hit 0 because I waited too long and the Tank died as I hit it, also Instant, but because I didn't allow for the animation, I was late.
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    2. Why is 5 minutes too long for an Instant heal to full ability? It forces you to use it properly. Also, it's by far the biggest heal in the game (if used on a Tank as it should be) and it is Instant. If you reduce the recast time for Benediction, you are basically shooting yourself in the foot as a WHM healer because you'd have to cut the potency of it in half or a little more than half to make it viable and even then, it would be the same thing as you have now essentially, just making the WHM class a bit OP with a potentially free 3-5k heal instantly every 2 mins (assuming you're using it on a tank who is fairly end-game geared).
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    I think the cast delay is fine, ridiculously strong abilities need some sort of draw back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRhodes View Post
    2. just making the WHM class a bit OP with a potentially free 3-5k heal instantly every 2 mins (assuming you're using it on a tank who is fairly end-game geared).
    *Cough* Lus- *cough* trate anyone?

    Anyway, to answer the original question, it's actually not benediction delay, it's just the way the server works, it is the same as, you walk out of a red circle too late, but you do not take damage immediately, the damage is shown to you once the enemy attack animation is done.

    You can test it out yourself using relatively long animation attacks (ADS laser/titan landslide) where the damage is shown long after the red aoe is gone, if a player does not have the hp to survive the laser/landslide, the red aoe is gone, and you cast your benediction on the player, he will still die, as far as the server knows, the player is already dead, it's just the visual feedback is slower for the player, due to the long ass attack animation.

    The point of this post? I highly doubt SE can easily "reduce the delay between action and effect", so for people clamoring for the change, it's not gonna happen XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRhodes View Post
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    Because sometimes a tank drops within a fraction of a second to a sliver of his/her HP? Also, if you use Lustrate like you just described then you are doing it wrong (I don't mean to be rude). Lustrate is not used like Benediction and short from happening what I described at the beginning you should use lustrate in between heals and not necessarily for emergencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRhodes View Post
    2. Why is 5 minutes too long for an Instant heal to full ability? It forces you to use it properly. Also, it's by far the biggest heal in the game (if used on a Tank as it should be) and it is Instant. If you reduce the recast time for Benediction, you are basically shooting yourself in the foot as a WHM healer because you'd have to cut the potency of it in half or a little more than half to make it viable and even then, it would be the same thing as you have now essentially, just making the WHM class a bit OP with a potentially free 3-5k heal instantly every 2 mins (assuming you're using it on a tank who is fairly end-game geared).
    The fact is that we can't use it properly BECAUSE it is not instant. You are aware that Lustrate is a 75% heal every minute, right? In special cases it's even 150% Heal if you have another Aetherflow available. While lustrate has a short delay as well it casts way faster than Benediction.

    Forum tip: You can edit your initial post to dodge the word count. No need to make several comments.
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    The benediction cool down is fine where it is, the problem with it is the animation. Just like before they fixed warrior the animation for overpower was long.
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    or just like they need to fix hallowed ground animation / CD usage. How many times have you seen on of you pal bitch because hallowed is on CD but he did not get the effect from it ?
    or just like they need to fix holmang for its insane animation which makes it really hard to really time
    or just like half the spells on bard, launch swiftwong, then once the cast is done, move.... O my god... no swift song... sorry players, you just did not wait for the animation to finish to getthe benefit from it... screw you SE, learn to code and put the animations IN the casting, not after
    and so on
    and so on

    Sure the server lag is one thing, for those of you who played wow at start, they had the same problem, the casts / skills where after the animation and thus had a delay from the cast bar time. They fixed that within what ? 3 months ? But SE says, nope, works as intended.

    This problem is bigger than just benediction, it concerns a ton of skills and spells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomih View Post
    The fact is that we can't use it properly BECAUSE it is not instant. You are aware that Lustrate is a 75% heal every minute, right? In special cases it's even 150% Heal if you have another Aetherflow available. While lustrate has a short delay as well it casts way faster than Benediction.

    Forum tip: You can edit your initial post to dodge the word count. No need to make several comments.
    I have a WHM I've used in end-game content and have NEVER had a problem with Benediction. Also, Lustrate has a much smaller margin of saving the day than Benediction does, period.

    Oh and forum tip: You can edit your post to remove unneeded remarks.
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