Scholar and Summoner shared attributes needs fixed!

[Nahara]

Give each job independent attribute allocation of equal value.
Nothing game breaking here as Smn is all int and Sch is all mnd.
If you didn't want people to play both smn and sch then you should not have put both of them into the game. (0)

The stats don't belong to the job, they belong to the class. The SMN and SCH jobs share the ACN class, so you only get the ACN class's stats to work with. This is intentional.

Just let SMN equip cleric stance, then put all your points in mind.

Objections?

Yes, because A) SMN doesn't get ANY important MND gear that can be converted into INT and B) Cleric Stance doesn't exist so that the Arcanist can cheat the bonus point system, it's there so that healers, who are stuck in healer gear, can do solo content by making their few damage-dealing spells worth a damn.

[casker]

Choices? More like Dilemma.

Scholar and Summoner dilemma: Which class do I gimp harder, and by how much?

On the other hand---

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

"what other people think" is not an argument on it's own. Stop it. That's just ad populum.

[ispano]

Choices? More like Dilemma.

Scholar and Summoner dilemma: Which class do I gimp harder, and by how much?

On the other hand---

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

"what other people think" is not an argument on it's own. Stop it. That's just ad populum.

Saying it's dumb isn't an argument on it's own either. Also, you're assuming other jobs won't have the same problem, when they very well could. Not to mention it doesn't actually CAUSE any problems. I play everything, that includes Scholar and Summoner. I went with 23 MND/7 INT because it balanced the amount each job had compared to the other. I have no issue with any content on EITHER of them. I've done Coil on both of them just fine.

[Naberrie]

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

Not necessarily. Let's say they add Dancer and give it hand to hand, basing it off PGL. Now say that DNC needs INT to for its skills because it's dealing debuffs. Now you have to decide to go STR or INT.

Or they add Thief and give it dagger. Say it needs STR. But since it uses dagger it's based off GLD and you've dumped all your points into VIT. Do you gimp your GLD to play THF?

At some point every class will have to deal with it. I suggest stockpiling Keeper's Hymns now.

[casker]

Not necessarily. Let's say they add Dancer and give it hand to hand, basing it off PGL. Now say that DNC needs INT to for its skills because it's dealing debuffs. Now you have to decide to go STR or INT.

I don't deny that other jobs will have to deal with it. That's not the point.

At some point every class will have to deal with it. I suggest stockpiling Keeper's Hymns now.

This is where you're making the assumption that I already mentioned. You are assuming that EVERY class will have this problem. Not necessarily, and I already showed the black belt example.

The point is that, in the case of a job that shares the points, they will not be gimped in the same way that people say sch/smn deserve to be gimped, or that other hypothetical jobs will be gimped.

When you tell people to stockpile hymns, you are basically saying to grind a whoooooole lot. And with the frequency that people change jobs in this game, as they were designed to frequently change jobs, hymns are a poor solution that only exist to extend grind, and nobody can grind enough to keep pace with how often they switch jobs.

[Felis]

On the other hand---

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

Everyone who played after 1.21 can see that the 2nd job from pugilist could get Int instead of Str

me i wouldnt mind if instead of unlocking stats at lvl 10, it would be at lvl 30 when you unlock SMN you gain stats bonus FOR Smn, when you unlock SCH at 30 you get stat bonus FOR Sch. So when switch to arcanist the stat on Sch or Smn is gonne ...cos only appear on Smn or Sch job. Ain't that better

No stat bonus for the class? The stat bonuses for the jobs are already in the soul stones.