Scholar and Summoner shared attributes needs fixed!

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

Um guys, just because it was intentionally designed this way doesn't make it any less dumb. And for the "It's just 30 stats." people, your FCs must love you with all that loot you keep passing up. It's just stats right? Not like they matter in an RPG.

[ispano]

Um guys, just because it was intentionally designed this way doesn't make it any less dumb. And for the "It's just 30 stats." people, your FCs must love you with all that loot you keep passing up. It's just stats right? Not like they matter in an RPG.

Except the people who are ok with it don't think it's dumb. I don't think it's dumb, I think it's GOOD.

[Phaylis]

When you equip the sch soul base attributes are reassigned, the only attributes you have to worry about are the 30 points you so choose to allocate. For min maxing these point kinda matter, but as you gear up the 30 points you put in become less relavent.

[Kinseykinz]

I mean, I can be a MNK with maxed out STR and switch instantly to a BLM with maxed out INT.. mechanics wise there should be the same for jobs of the same class.

The restriction feels very out of place to me. (an out of place time sink )

You may disagree and the game designers may disagree for now, but it doesn't invalidate some people's wishes.

But you couldn't level Monk and then automatically also have a level 50 BLM at your disposal. You HAD to invest time and energy in BOTH of those party roles. ACN=2 Jobs for the time of leveling 1. So it is important to have some limitations. SE already made it so your choices aren't permanent. With a keepers hymn, you can switch back and forth as you please.

[casker]

This is working as intended

I don't buy it.

Seems more like an OVERSIGHT to me.

In their very sad attempt to having some kind of character customization and old-school rpg element, SE added stat points. Of course, there is basically only one viable choice for each job. Then later they and people realized it had the side effect of screwing over Scholar/Summoner if you want to play both, and now they need to think of a way to fix it or are too lazy to.

People saying other class/job combos will have this problem---not necessarily. The reason Arcanist jobs have this problem is because it's a DPS changing to a healer and vise versa. Will a pugilist have this problem when they add another job for that class? Probably not. Will a thaumaturge have that problem? Probably not.

The game is full of conflicts like this and they are directly opposed to the goal of the class system in the first place: that you can play what you want when you want. PvP is getting boned the absolute hardest at the moment to where you can only viably play one class/job.

[Nahara]

Give each job independent attribute allocation of equal value.
Nothing game breaking here as Smn is all int and Sch is all mnd.
If you didn't want people to play both smn and sch then you should not have put both of them into the game. (0)

The stats don't belong to the job, they belong to the class. The SMN and SCH jobs share the ACN class, so you only get the ACN class's stats to work with. This is intentional.

Just let SMN equip cleric stance, then put all your points in mind.

Objections?

Yes, because A) SMN doesn't get ANY important MND gear that can be converted into INT and B) Cleric Stance doesn't exist so that the Arcanist can cheat the bonus point system, it's there so that healers, who are stuck in healer gear, can do solo content by making their few damage-dealing spells worth a damn.

[ispano]

I don't buy it.

Seems more like an OVERSIGHT to me.

In their very sad attempt to having some kind of character customization and old-school rpg element, SE added stat points. Of course, there is basically only one viable choice for each job. Then later they and people realized it had the side effect of screwing over Scholar/Summoner if you want to play both, and now they need to think of a way to fix it or are too lazy to.

People saying other class/job combos will have this problem---not necessarily. The reason Arcanist jobs have this problem is because it's a DPS changing to a healer and vise versa. Will a pugilist have this problem when they add another job for that class? Probably not. Will a thaumaturge have that problem? Probably not.

The game is full of conflicts like this and they are directly opposed to the goal of the class system in the first place: that you can play what you want when you want. PvP is getting boned the absolute hardest at the moment to where you can only viably play one class/job.

Actually Yoshi specifically said it was intended in a Live Letter.

Also for the person asking about a source for wanting multiple jobs from single classes. First, it's been well known, you should have seen it more than once at least, but since not.

Q: What about “Summoner” coming from Arcanist? Two jobs from one class?
A: We mentioned before in a Live Letter that we didn’t want one job per class and that classes will branch off in the future. In the future players can imagine more classes having multiple job paths. Players like jobs such as Ninja or Samurai, whether they will be jobs from different classes is to be determined, or even if they’re in at all! Arcanist will have Carbuncle pet, and Summoner will have “Egi” versions of Primals such as Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda.

[casker]

Doesn't matter if it's intentional. It's dumb.

When pugilist gets another job that relies on STR, or when thaumaturge gets another job that relies on INT, they are going to have multiple NON-GIMPED jobs at their disposal, with just that one class leveled.

It will just be sch/smn (and other classes that have jobs with differing roles) who are screwed over, because the design is messed up.

All these arguments that say sch/smn deserve to be gimped because of them sharing a class will mean nothing then.

[ispano]

Doesn't matter if it's intentional. It's dumb.

When pugilist gets another job that relies on STR, or when thaumaturge gets another job that relies on INT, they are going to have multiple NON-GIMPED jobs at their disposal, with just that one class leveled.

It will just be sch/smn (and other classes that have jobs with differing roles) who are screwed over, because the design is messed up.

All these arguments that say sch/smn deserve to be gimped because of them sharing a class will mean nothing then.

Again, as I told the other person, I don't think it's dumb, nor do other people. People really don't want to have to make any choices, do they.

[FJerome]

Doesn't matter if it's intentional. It's dumb.

When pugilist gets another job that relies on STR, or when thaumaturge gets another job that relies on INT, they are going to have multiple NON-GIMPED jobs at their disposal, with just that one class leveled.

It will just be sch/smn (and other classes that have jobs with differing roles) who are screwed over, because the design is messed up.

All these arguments that say sch/smn deserve to be gimped because of them sharing a class will mean nothing then.

I can easily see the second monk job relying on DEX or the thaumaturge job that relying on PIE instead. Especially the second, killing yourself to cast Meteor is a fine series tradition.