Scholar and Summoner shared attributes needs fixed!

[Zepheron]

I love to play smn and I want to play sch well.

There is a major barrier that prevents me from doing this. The attribute feature for each job is tied to arcanist thereby making you chose 1 of 2 options.

1) split your attributes mediocre at both.

2) Assign all your attributes to int or mnd allowing the other to be gimped.

This is unacceptable! No other job has to make this choice.

This game is about being able to be the best at your job of choice. Gear, Attributes, Macros, play styles, everything for all jobs but 2. By definition that's an imbalance placed on a class that isn't on any other.
Please fix this so I can play 2 jobs that I love at the best they can be rather than having to make one suffer over the other.

Give each job independent attribute allocation of equal value.
Nothing game breaking here as Smn is all int and Sch is all mnd.
If you didn't want people to play both smn and sch then you should not have put both of them into the game.

[Naberrie]

Fixing implies it's broken. It's not. They want it to work that way. It's design. You could say it's bad design, but it's still intentional.

Personsally I just split them. Haven't had any problems.

Edit: fixed typo. Darn iPhone autocorrect.

[ispano]

Indeed. Yoshi said it in a live letter. He wants you to CHOOSE which you PREFER to play and stat accordingly. There's also Hymns should you ever change your mind. For me I did 23 MND and 7 INT. That puts the ungeared MND/INT stats of the respective jobs within 1 of each other. If I need to change it I have a stack of Hymns ready to do so.

[Zepheron]

Indeed. Yoshi said it in a live letter. He wants you to CHOOSE which you PREFER to play and stat accordingly. There's also Hymns should you ever change your mind. For me I did 23 MND and 7 INT. That puts the ungeared MND/INT stats of the respective jobs within 1 of each other. If I need to change it I have a stack of Hymns ready to do so.

Give each job independent attribute allocation of equal value.
Nothing game breaking here as Smn is all int and Sch is all mnd.
If you didn't want people to play both smn and sch then you should not have put both of them into the game. (0)

[ispano]

Give each job independent attribute allocation of equal value.
Nothing game breaking here as Smn is all int and Sch is all mnd.
If you didn't want people to play both smn and sch then you should not have put both of them into the game. (0)

You can repeat it all you want. Your view is not the only view and not the developers view. By repeating yourself, you're not going to get any sympathy.

It's by design, as such not broken. Nothing needs to be fixed.

[Nahara]

Give each job independent attribute allocation of equal value.
Nothing game breaking here as Smn is all int and Sch is all mnd.
If you didn't want people to play both smn and sch then you should not have put both of them into the game. (0)

The stats don't belong to the job, they belong to the class. The SMN and SCH jobs share the ACN class, so you only get the ACN class's stats to work with. This is intentional.

Just let SMN equip cleric stance, then put all your points in mind.

Objections?

Yes, because A) SMN doesn't get ANY important MND gear that can be converted into INT and B) Cleric Stance doesn't exist so that the Arcanist can cheat the bonus point system, it's there so that healers, who are stuck in healer gear, can do solo content by making their few damage-dealing spells worth a damn.

[casker]

Choices? More like Dilemma.

Scholar and Summoner dilemma: Which class do I gimp harder, and by how much?

On the other hand---

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

"what other people think" is not an argument on it's own. Stop it. That's just ad populum.

[ispano]

Choices? More like Dilemma.

Scholar and Summoner dilemma: Which class do I gimp harder, and by how much?

On the other hand---

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

"what other people think" is not an argument on it's own. Stop it. That's just ad populum.

Saying it's dumb isn't an argument on it's own either. Also, you're assuming other jobs won't have the same problem, when they very well could. Not to mention it doesn't actually CAUSE any problems. I play everything, that includes Scholar and Summoner. I went with 23 MND/7 INT because it balanced the amount each job had compared to the other. I have no issue with any content on EITHER of them. I've done Coil on both of them just fine.

[Naberrie]

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

Not necessarily. Let's say they add Dancer and give it hand to hand, basing it off PGL. Now say that DNC needs INT to for its skills because it's dealing debuffs. Now you have to decide to go STR or INT.

Or they add Thief and give it dagger. Say it needs STR. But since it uses dagger it's based off GLD and you've dumped all your points into VIT. Do you gimp your GLD to play THF?

At some point every class will have to deal with it. I suggest stockpiling Keeper's Hymns now.

[Felis]

On the other hand---

When pugilist gets, hypothetically, let's just say "black belt" for a job, their choices: NONE. Go for STR for monk, and STR for black belt.

Scholar and Summoner are getting gimped. Pugilist and Black Belt wont. This is intentional for you guys and you don't see a problem. Please.

Everyone who played after 1.21 can see that the 2nd job from pugilist could get Int instead of Str

me i wouldnt mind if instead of unlocking stats at lvl 10, it would be at lvl 30 when you unlock SMN you gain stats bonus FOR Smn, when you unlock SCH at 30 you get stat bonus FOR Sch. So when switch to arcanist the stat on Sch or Smn is gonne ...cos only appear on Smn or Sch job. Ain't that better

No stat bonus for the class? The stat bonuses for the jobs are already in the soul stones.