Scholar and Summoner shared attributes needs fixed!

[Aethaeryn]

Also, they ARE doing it to other classes when new jobs get introduced. Pretty well known that they are as well. I LIKE it this way, the stats don't mean a whole lot, so even if you never put any in you could still do fine.

Source? I haven't read or heard anything about this beyond rumors that are spread all over forums (like the current musketeer for 2.2 rumor). I'm not saying you're lying or anything, but I don't exactly watch every single live letter either. I've never seen anything official that stated every single class was going to spin-off into 2+ jobs with different primary stats.

[RegnumMagik]

Just because developer say it's intended doesn't mean it's not flawed.

It's like how Yoshi said Warrior was fine as it is, and yet many people complained how Warrior is the underdog.

[ispano]

Source? I haven't read or heard anything about this beyond rumors that are spread all over forums (like the current musketeer for 2.2 rumor). I'm not saying you're lying or anything, but I don't exactly watch every single live letter either. I've never seen anything official that stated every single class was going to spin-off into 2+ jobs with different primary stats.

They've talked about it since we heard Summoner and Scholar came from ACN.

[Felis]

Maybe the old armory system from 1.0 would be better
physical level (the level of your character, not the class level), stats bounded to the charcter (not the class) and many hours to reset all stats

[Diadumenos]

Even not playing the class, I have to agree with OP for the most part. The game is built around the "you can max every class", for better or worse. Why single out Sum/Sch for the stat allocation dispute? Are they testing them for some future variance of another current class? A healer Monk who needs MND instead of DPS STR? Maybe SE doesn't really care for SMN/SCH.

It just seems like a slap in the face to the people that actually do like those classes. If SE designed the two to function in this way, makes me question if they didn't think the situation all the way through before finalizing them. Darn Friday meetings!

Not to go totally off topic (but im going to... XD ) How un-powerful do you feel as SMN in XIV compared to other FF games? FFXI watered them down. FFXIV is holding their head under water...

[Roris]

This is FFXIV not Wow.

Pretty much this, can't think of any Final Fantasy with a job system that limits you stat wise to sticking to a job like ARR does with SMN/SCH, then again I also can't think of any that has stat allocation like this, it's simply a bad design decision that will get worse the more branching jobs are added. Makes you think if the fans that keep defending this limitation by design are really Final Fantasy fans or if they've even played most of the games.

[Jilse]

Hurr durr design.

Would make sense if arcanist jobs were all that awesome, but you can't even issue orders to your pet if you don't put it in Obey (which still needs a target, for some reason).

What a joke.

Funny, you basically say arcanist is unplayable unless you know how to play arcanist. Use a macro, and all will be made right. Do not like macros? Do not play acranist. Simple as that. Or just figure you will never be able to control your pet, and let it run wild.

[Jilse]

Even not playing the class, I have to agree with OP for the most part. The game is built around the "you can max every class", for better or worse.

Okay, we need a new argument, cause this one is broken. This is the quote people keep coming up with, and its BS. Because you CAN max every CLASS. People want to be able to max every class TWICE on one character. Your build is the class, your soul gem is the class. I agree they should just take the points out of the game entirely, end the problem. Do it like FFV with all the jobs.

[Aethaeryn]

They've talked about it since we heard Summoner and Scholar came from ACN.

Yes, everyone says 'they' have talked about it, but I'm asking for a source because I want to read exactly what 'they' have said about it instead of paraphrased stuff on forums that generally ends up distorted or exaggerated through the telephone effect. I've been googling around forever trying to find this, but I haven't found anything outside of SCH/SMN mentioned. :/ Guess I'm phrasing it wrong or something.

[Ri_ri]

Funny, you basically say arcanist is unplayable unless you know how to play arcanist. Use a macro, and all will be made right. Do not like macros? Do not play acranist. Simple as that. Or just figure you will never be able to control your pet, and let it run wild.

Now you either micro manage, or don't manage anything at all. How that adds anything to the gameplay, besides "inconvenience"?
I guess I was having it too easy by leaving Selene to buff whenever she could and being able to Embrace who I wanted. Fun shall be nerfed.