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[TheVedis]

It does affect me in some way, I hate knowing that people got through some content without any sweat and got rewards from it even tho they did nothing but sit back and watch their high level friend take them through, yes it bothers me, It's not elitist, it's just stupid. And you know well enough that people WILL bring higher level to help them if they have the choice to do it. At the smallest bump and challenge they will ask for help from a higher level instead of coming up with a better strategies.

Before they removed caps in FFXI, missions were challenging and fun even if you only got through some of them after weeks of trying. These lower content dungeons will just be a faceroll for rewards for lower lever friends and the higher end dungeons will be the same when the level cap is raised.

sounds like you gotta stop worrying about what other people are doing and focus on your own game for a change
we arent hurting you, its all in your head

[Anty]

endgame content isnt the only kind of content thats why its not a bad thing

yes some people will roll through it on their capped characters
but when doesnt that happen in most MMOs?

however, the people who want to do this, who dont have capped characters will love it


the game isnt all about capped endgame people, and if they didnt add this 30 dungeon, youd have the other end of the spectrum yelling that there is no mid game content

the problem with a lot of mmos IS that this is happening to most of them. And thats the killer for so many content and zones. Why copy that stupid mistake lotsa mmos get? Content that needs months to get live then is outdated after a few days will never be enough to fill even the needs of a casual mmoer...

They might "love" it but they will be the first to bitch that there isnt enough content and they got everything so fast, so easy... caps in ffxi were the reason why it was successeful for such a long time, so many things offered challenges due to caps, take them away and you need 20 times the content since it every bit of content gets "one-shotted".

99% of all mmos are easy mode... cant we get some challenge? and more important KEEP the challenge...

Its an mmo, not a solo rpg...

[Perrin_Aybarra]

well for starters, cuz i dont care
content is content, ill do it just to do it

i dont want restrictions forced down my throat on how i do it

just like i dont want to restrict how you do it


and when im running it, and your not in my group, you ARE NOT affected by me steamrolling it

Again we are, when you'll go parading yourself with that "leet" dungeon gears pretending you actually worked for it that is when we will be affected by it. If there was a cap, then we would know that you deserve that gear, since there isn't and we know you steamrolled through it, then it's just stupid and pointless.

[Seraphita]

they dont need a level cap on this stuff though

HOW OTHER PEOPLE run the dungeon doesnt affect you

let them take their 50s into it, you dont gotta agree with it but the same happens with NMs already, 50s killing 30 NMs

you dont gotta do it
people who dont agree with doing it like that dont gotta do it

you can take your 30s in and be happy, no one else is affecting you when you do this

Yup. Breed noobs. Isnt that the new generation RPG way of thinking? This is exactly why RPGs and MMOs are going down hill. Catering to the window lickers that dont even know wtf they are doing.

[DynamisLord]

Everyone in this thread is arguing over capping/uncapping players. Obviously there are pros and cons to either way they go with implementing or not implementing a system like that.

So INSTEAD of altering the player's level based on the dungeon, why not just alter the dungeon's level based on the players?

They already change the difficulty in game of behests based on the number of players signed up. Why not expand on a system like that?

Just lock players on whatever jobs they enter with. If you wanna roll with a party of 4 50s, go for it. The dungeon's difficulty will be scaled accordingly. Everyone wins?

That would keep the difficulty level challenging no matter who decides to enter at whatever level. It would end up being like they posted:

Rank 30 dungeon will be for Light parties, Rank 50 dungeon for full parties. The MINIMUM levels will be enforced and whatever levels ABOVE the minimum will only serve to increase the difficulty of that dungeon.

[TheVedis]

Again we are, when you'll go parading yourself with that "leet" dungeon gears pretending you actually worked for it that is when we will be affected by it. If there was a cap, then we would know that you deserve that gear, since there isn't and we know you steamrolled through it, then it's just stupid and pointless.

you must have me mistaken for someone who actualy cares about gear
why the hell would a 50 prance around in 30 gear anyway? that is your first mistake, they should be using 50 gear, and there is nothing "leet" about wearing underleveled dungeon gear

so these 50s steamrolling it will be getting outdated gear, oh woop de doo, that breaks the game so bad and ruins it for others

the game will be overrun with people in underleveled gear now!

[Betelgeuzah]

It's like saying "if you want challenge don't use gambits/auto-attack in XII/XIII".

I guess it's valid thing to say, but doesn't change the fact that people are going to do it the easiest way if they can and then bitch about the game playing itself. That's how it is- and you can't affect that without limiting them.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Yup. Breed noobs. Isnt that the new generation RPG way of thinking? This is exactly why RPGs and MMOs are going down hill. Catering to the window lickers that dont even know wtf they are doing.

Well said, and I really thought that the FFXIV community was more mature than most MMOs and would be like the golden age of FFXI when things were hard and challenging. But the more it goes the more I feel it's all a new crew of gamer that wants all handed to them easily, which SE seems to think will be their saviors. Guess I was wrong.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

you must have me mistaken for someone who actualy cares about gear
why the hell would a 50 prance around in 30 gear anyway? that is your first mistake, they should be using 50 gear, and there is nothing "leet" about wearing underleveled dungeon gear

so these 50s steamrolling it will be getting outdated gear, oh woop de doo, that breaks the game so bad and ruins it for others

the game will be overrun with people in underleveled gear now!

lol you still don't get it, the level 50 will not prance in level 30 gears, who cares about that. The level 30 will tho, but they won't have any merits for it because they will all have gone through their low level content eating a doughnut standing back while their level 50 friends help them get the loot. Yay what a fun game this is!

Even if they actually went in with 4 level 30, they will not have this feeling of satisfaction and accomplishment wearing that gear, because others will have gone through them with level 50 help.

[TheVedis]

Well said, and I really thought that the FFXIV community was more mature than most MMOs and would be like the golden age of FFXI when things were hard and challenging. But the more it goes the more I feel it's all a new crew of gamer that wants all handed to them easily, which SE seems to think will be their saviors. Guess I was wrong.

you guys are talking about maturity now while putting down other people?

doesnt that also make you part of this problem you are stating is there?


there will always be people who want things easier
there will be those who want things harder

instead of FORCING players to do things a certain way, why not let them choose easy or hard, if they wanna go in with more then is needed to completet something, LET THEM.
if they wanna make it a challenge and restrict themsleves, LET THEM

dont force others to play the way you want, THAT is the problem here, people who think that everyone should do everything how they want and should have no freedom to choose