My OT keep taking my Aggro

[3rdeye]

I have an alt as war,and just starting to seriously master it after my dragoon full i90.

So now i was doing ultima. When i was tanking, after i did my butcher block enmity combo. I put storm eye and path buff combo. Its a 10% less damage and push slash damage up also, so it certainly will help the party. Did inner beast a couple times for damage mitigation.

The problem comes on when buff combo progressing or i inner beast. A couple times my paladin friend keep stealing my aggro. Then i notice all the time as OT, he did his enmity combo (halone) to dps ultima, eventhough he's in sword oath stance.

I remind him, but his feedback is i cant maintain my aggro, and should do just my enmity combo only.

So enlight me,do i just have to spam enmity combo when MT ing, and put no buff at all? or you can recommend something for my friend. I new to tanking, and have no sufficient knowledge on paladin (i build my pld only to 22 for provoke). What do you paladins do actually when OTing ?

[zaineal]

Its his fault for not watching his hate.

Im not sure if they fixed the shield oath - .> sword oath bug yet as that might contribute to it as well. Tell him to watch the hate and hold back.

[Delorean]

start pull with infuriate > unchained > berserk if you have to

open with butchers, follow with storm's path

but if you are ever having that much trouble with aggro, it is not going to kill you to just not use storm's path/eye combo until you have a good lead.

[Squa]

Paladin OT need to use Riot Blade combo (while maintain halone debuff). So, it was probably his fault. On your end, you should keeup -10% damage debuff, however the +10% slashing debuff is not required if you are MT

[JeTaisNoobie]

The consequences of a dead team due to losing aggro is greater than the consequences of losing a debuff on the boss just to mitigate a little bit of damage.

[Geobryn]

your friend did not watch aggro, but on the other hand, it is true that PLD just doesn't have any OT combo
spaming riot blade which cost 70+80 TP will drain TPs of PLD very quickly
the best advice would be, telling him to spam some stone skins on you along with maintaining halone debuff and replenishing his mana with riot blades
that way he wont run out of TPs/MPs, wont pull agro + helps healers a bit

i usually focus target MT and use macro
/micon "Stoneskin"
/ac "Stoneskin" <focus>

[darzok]

Its a fairly common problem when running with a pld seems they all forget to do any thing but halone and that starts to become a common problem when with any random pld ot i get it all the time in CT on the last boss.

Its odd that i never have the problem with a random War doing it but all ways random PLD guess its since they only need to use halone when tanking and forget about all other attacks apart form def cool downs.

The only thing you can do is ask them in a nice way to keep an eye on there hate but if you get the same kind of pld i get when tanking most of them will call you a noob or worse and only a few will hold back a little.

[TallonOverworld]

it is not recommended to go for maim combos when you are MT only because those combos do not generate enmity as additional effect. So u should go for your enmity combo and when u've built enough of it you can use them but not when you pull it the first time.

Also, since you got Provoke which is a must for me when MTing there should be no problem to build enmity at start. For ct especially i let plds mt and i go on giants. I use holmgang and grab them instantly where they spawn so im fine with it

[Snorgrind]

let PLD MT = problem solved
it was even more anoying before patch when they didnt know about the sword oath aggro bug

[temawye]

Since you are talking about ultima specifically,
* offensive CDs (berzerk, unchained...) are no factor. You might be well ahead of him at the start, but since he will provoke at some point, the aggro gap will be filled within 1 GCD. you need to generate more enemity than the PLD even without CDs.
* If only the PLD is close to you in term of enmity generation --> PLD' problem. Since using stoneskin on MT + his MP regen combo generates really low enmity, i guess he is not doing his job properly. The only things on the fight that needs to be burned are Laser beams, and they have no aggro (how convenient!)
* If DPS / healers are close to you in term of enmity generation --> Your problem.