Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Reaux]

You know what else was copied?

In FFXI the Spires, or rather crags that you can enter were of similar design because they were built based around cermet and by the same people. E.g Delkfutts tower looked like Fei`yin and Palace of Velugannon/Shrine of Ru`Avitau, no one really complained about the look but rather the "puzzles" inside >.>

This is untrue, coming from someone whom has visited both in the last 2 weeks. While the outside architecture looks like they are similarly placed those two specific locations, Delkfutts and Fei'Yin, are very different internally and externally. Delkfutts is placed within a mountain with many winding staircases leading upward. Fei'Yin goes downward and has crumbling surfaces everywhere, section blocked off by fallen walls, the side rooms.

The areas you are thinking of are probably the 3 main teleport areas. Those have relatively identical design to each other with very tiny differences that mean almost nothing. That being said you can't compare XI areas to XIV, the tech for XIV is far more advanced so they should be able to and have the drive to make more original areas to abuse that.

People have glitched into the new areas and are posting pics and vids and sadly they look they same as current areas. I am hoping that those are just place holders and it is changed upon release. I'm more excited about the music in those areas ^_^

[Elexia]

On the JP forums someone said... isn't 4-8 only instance dungeons basically same as MO and not MMO?

I must agree.. how is 4-8 players instance dungeon.. a RAID? or a MMO?

This is a new generation of MMO gamers -- the ones who prefer solo whenever possible. This is the outcome of that. I rather like a lot of people fighting together, but the general populace doesn't which is why most MMO these days are pushing for solo play.

[Rau]

I'm going to **** myself if these need Faction points.

Glorified leves -.-

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Do you at least agree that from a game design perspective - the lack of a level cap kills challenge and replayability, and thus the shelf life, or "freshness", so to speak, of the new content?

The only time someone is ever going to play the rank 25 dungeon AS a rank 25 class (i.e. at a rank appropriate for what the content was designed for) is when they are a noobie and don't have any other class higher than that. A majority of the time, once a player has a class that is higher than rank 25, he is going to run the dungeon at that higher rank just because it would be easier and faster that way. When there are tangible rewards and loot on the line, no one is going to purposely gimp themselves if they don't have to.

In the entirety of any particular player's life in FF14, the period of time where his highest battle class is only rank 25 is a very, very small time period. Once the player achieves a high rank and is allowed to blaze through low rank content, that content is no longer interesting and the players clamor for more, thus putting even more pressure on the devs.

With a rank cap, the content is kept challenging for all players, no matter how many high rank classes they may have, thus extending the replayability of the dungeon.

Sorry I don't, because I am not going to play or replay a dungeon that 1.) Forces me to play it as a r25 and 2.) Only has gear that is medium in range and has nothing else to offer me. At r50, the only reason I have to play the r25 dungeon is for fun, and having that dungeon restricted isn't fun for me. At r50, there is no reason I can't choose to a) run it on level 25 class just for fun or b) steamroll it as a r50 just for fun. The only purpose I have to play the r25 dungeon is for fun and the more limitation you put on that dungeon equals the less fun I will have.

Now, if it was for the sake of progression, then my opinion would be different.

[Zenaku]

I hope to god there not like wow dungeon --> Enter ---> kill everything --> go to boss ---> done

I want more of a nyzule isle or something new that you have to do puzzle to get the dungeon done within 60min. Something fun that change every time to make players want to enter again because wow dungeon you get bored of doing it over and over just for a dam 1 gear you missing that would be gone within 1-3 levels lol.

[Rentahamster]

Now, if it was for the sake of progression, then my opinion would be different.

Acquiring new gear for your mid-rank classes from the dungeon is a form of progression.

[Starlord]

Acquiring new gear for your mid-rank classes from the dungeon is a form of progression.

Character Development

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Acquiring new gear for your mid-rank classes from the dungeon is a form of progression.

Its not progression if I don't need to do it. I can level any class to 50 without ever having to run a dungeon. Heck, I could level to 50 with onion gear for all I care. The only class I am interested in progressing is my main. Everything else is just for vanity's sake.

[Rentahamster]

Character Development

Yes, I know he was speaking in terms of SP gain, but getting better gear is as much an integral part of the process of character development as is SP gain.

[Reaux]

I hope to god there not like wow dungeon --> Enter ---> kill everything --> go to boss ---> done

I want more of a nyzule isle or something new that you have to do puzzle to get the dungeon done within 60min. Something fun that change every time to make players want to enter again because wow dungeon you get bored of doing it over and over just for a dam 1 gear you missing that would be gone within 1-3 levels lol.

But thats all any dungeon is in any RPG stand-alone or MMO O_O