Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Dragonlord]

I totally pictured something from Killer Instinct like a 56-hit combo then an ominous voice out of nowhere "OUTSTANDING!!" "KILLER COMBO!!"

Or shao kahn "OUTSTANDING!!" Thats what came mind for me.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Focant and Tirion, great posts guys. You two seem to understand not having a cap isn't a big deal nor affects the people looking for a challenge, now I wish other people would understand that too. :/

[Delmontyb]

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Regarding the re-entering I hope it's not too long... Given we have two to run starting with 1.18, but if it's set to the same 36 hour cool down that the leves are, I think that wouldn't go over well...

"Sorry everyone, can't join tonight, got to wait until reset to help you out"...

My vote is to set the cool down to the amount of time you spend in the dungeon. Spend 1 hour, have an hour cool down. Assuming that you can extend the amount of time above the 60 minutes then this would work as well, spend three hours in the dungeon then you have a three hour cool down.

Thoughts?

[Rentahamster]

If a rank 50 wants to get some buddies together and steamroll the dungeon then whatever, that's a challenge and fun they've missed out on.

I am totally fine with that being an option, as long as they don't get any good/rare items for steamrolling the dungeon.

[Dragonlord]

What happened to making informed decisions? How can you demand change for something you know nothing about? Isn't experience and familiarity valued over theory and assumptions? Seriously, wait to experience it. See if it's really as bad as you say, and THEN change it. Why change something because you "think" it'll be bad but have no real reason to assume such?

It's fine to be worried and skeptical and to discuss it as such, but to DEMAND change based on something so insubstantial is just ridiculous.

I full heartly agree with this! Again the devolpment team shares information with us, and all people do is get on here and flame up the threads with hate! I just dont get it... You want answers then there given too u, and you act like infants that dont get your way. Cmon grow up, show some respect for the people that are working around the damn clock. "Not literarlly". So dont try to throw that in my face, thx. Moving on, this is amazing information to get and im very excited to get any new content to the game. For all the people that keep flaming SE, lets see u make a epic MMO that has all the elements u see working. Then take some hard critisim for all your hard work, and i promise u will change your tone! Again i say heres to being optimistic, and thank you SE for your hard work and understanding through these changes. I am a fanboy, and i will stand behind SE until they are no longer around. I wont bite the hand that feeds me. I will be loyal, and understanding. If i ever feel the other way, i will walk away and not look back. I wouldnt leave hate, and flame the devolpers about the game. Maybe thats just me being humble, and knowing my place.

[TirionCrey]

It's one thing sitting out because you have too many show up, but quite another to sit out because you're one or two members short of the requirement. No one is asking to enter this dungeon with 9 or 10 people. We're asking to enter it with 6-7 in a situation where 12-15 people show up. If 9 turn up then tough luck on the 9th, but the content should be manageable (although more difficult) with 6 or 7. The fact the developers are willing to consider lowering the requirement at all tells you this.

If a group of 6-7 playere are able to finish it(even with more difficulty) the whole purpose of balancing it around 8 players is stupid. Endgame in XIV is gonna be tuned for 8man PTs. You knew that since the Letter from the Producer from the beginning of the year...if you're now getting "angry" about that, go figure...I'm not against being able to ENTER the dungeon with less than 8 people, cause that requirement seems kinda strange...but in all honestly...they shouldn't be able to beat it with less than 8ppl...maybe get some stuff done in the dungeon, but if they are able to comlpetely beat with less than 8, the whole "difficulty and challenge" debate would go out of hand. Its tuned for 8 and its gonna be difficult for 8, making it possible to beat with less than 8, makes the whole reason of it being tuned for 8 obsolete.

Once people get better gear over time and stuff, the challenge will be less and less for 8man groups(and groups of 6-7 might be able to beat it)...but that's where new content tuned for those people should be rdy so...this is an endless cycle and if they start making it faceroll from the getgo...I'm done and say goodbye.

[TheVedis]

I am totally fine with that being an option, as long as they don't get any good/rare items for steamrolling the dungeon.

they can get the same 30 gear you can get at 30
if they want the better stuff they can go do the 50 dungeon

as we have stated SEVERAL times before but you just dont seem to understand that concept

[TirionCrey]

I am totally fine with that being an option, as long as they don't get any good/rare items for steamrolling the dungeon.

If you're R50 and get equip from that R30 dungeon its only a temporary thing anyway...so what's the point? You won't get any R/E unique stuff in the R30 dungeon that will last you to the end of the game...

[Toffy]

I'm worried about both, but the focus of my rage is more important on the requirement issue for now. Both are bad ideas by the developers.

Just my 2 cents on the whole party requirement issue

First im on a weird Playtime since i am in Brazil so when i play on a bit of both NA(east) and Jpn primetimes.

I dont think its a bad idea fomr the developers

This party requirement is another attempt from SE to "force" people to actually "mmo"(i use it as a verb for getting to know people , NEW people, and actually try to get toguether for stuff)... Same as with their early attempts of the market(wich failed but thats another thread.. or several actually)

Its based on an eastern mentality (again my parents are both asians from there so yeah i do know a bit about their mentality) that people WILL try to again mmo to get stuff done or in this case complete a party for the dungeons.

So they are trying even though as like everything else they tryed to force on the player base to connect it might fail badly.

Specially on the western gamers wich IMO are much more self centered or ls centered or even small group of friends centered and have a really hard time connecting outside their group of friends.


Fun fact : even with all the bad stuff one of their "attempts" the party search system actually works wonders on jpn prime time if you ever tryed it. It fills entire levepartys in matters of seconds of searching on these times. why doesent it work on NA baffles me. I always get my leves done in a couple hours on jpn prime time even with half of them not accepting me(JP onry) because theres plenty... again with the dwindling server population and all. No wonder jpn want their own servers lol

PS im sry about my spelling english is not my main language ^^ also its not my intention to attack anyone just my take on the different cultures i learned form this + 6 years of ffxi

[Rentahamster]

they can get the same 30 gear you can get at 30
if they want the better stuff they can go do the 50 dungeon

as we have stated SEVERAL times before but you just dont seem to understand that concept

Yes, I know that in general rank 50 gear is better than rank 30 gear. I know you have stated this before, but that is not the point that I am trying to make. That you responded as such means that you don't understand what I am saying.

Rank 50 raid gear is probably better than rank 30 raid gear, yes. However, rank 30 raid gear is also probably better than rank 30 non-raid gear.

It is not good balance to have the best rank 30 gear be the easiest to obtain. Hardly anyone would bother to craft other rank 30 gear since there would be no point.

Furthermore, having rank 30 raid gear is not a sign of accomplishment since it would have been possible to steamroll through the dungeon with your rank 50 class, or have another rank 50 do it for you.

This is why doing the rank 30 dungeons as a rank 30 character should reward you appropriately with uber rank 30 gear, whereas doing the rank 30 dungeon as a rank 50 character should not reward you with uber rank 30 gear because you didn't earn it.

If you're R50 and get equip from that R30 dungeon its only a temporary thing anyway...so what's the point? You won't get any R/E unique stuff in the R30 dungeon that will last you to the end of the game...

If the current R30 NMs are any indication, then you will. There are several pieces of R30 NM gear that are useful for endgame.

Even if there wasn't any R30 raid gear useful for endgame, it doesn't matter if "it's only a temporary thing anyway", since it "temporarily" screws up the item value balance at the rank 30 range for everyone.