Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Archadius]

Function over form any day, and I'm a flippin Graphic Artist...

As a fellow graphic artist, I say form and function should be in unison. If your concept is structurally sound but has nothing to captivate your target audience... You failed. If your concept is visually stunning but serves little purpose or holds little personal value... You failed.

[Bayohne]

Spoke with the dev. team to get some answers on a few of the questions that have been popping up in the thread.

Are there level restrictions for instanced raids?
There is a minimum level required to enter, but not a maximum level. Therefore, if it’s a level 25 raid, as long as you are 25 or above you will be able to enter.

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Can you gain SP while battling in raids?
Yes.

What happens if you disconnect while in the instanced raid?
You'll be able to reconnect and rejoin your party. If the party has exited by the time you return, you will be placed outside of the dungeon.

Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

[Rowyne]

its refreshing to see a non 50 give their opinion(one with a signature to show they arent there)

looks like you need 1 more rank to participate though in the new dungeon

Thank you, TheVedis. I've taken some flack for it (some people don't take me seriously since I'm not at level cap, even though I've played since closed beta ... just been taking my time and taking breaks here and there so I don't get burned out with frustration). But I display my signature bravely.

I have a plan! I'm a sliver away from 25 and I'm waiting for the 1.18 changes so I can get my husband to log in and we're gonna hit 25 and we're gonna dungeon it up! It'll be glorious.

I was hoping the fact that they gave us one mid-level dungeon and one high-level dungeon that it would keep both groups of players happy. Unfortunately, the heated debates continue. :/

[Peregrine]

Spoke with the dev. team to get some answers on a few of the questions that have been popping up in the thread.

Are there level restrictions for instanced raids?
There is a minimum level required to enter, but not a maximum level. Therefore, if it’s a level 25 raid, as long as you are 25 or above you will be able to enter.

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Can you gain SP while battling in raids?
Yes.

What happens if you disconnect while in the instanced raid?
You'll be able to reconnect and rejoin your party. If the party has exited by the time you return, you will be placed outside of the dungeon.

Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

Bay, this doesn't make any sense. You can't have a difficult raid if you can take classes in that are 20 levels over the intended design of the area. It can't work. If the one word is difficult, then by default it isn't even a rank 30 dungeon. It's a rank 50 dungeon you would be crazy to take R30s into.

Otherwise, the one word is not difficult.

[Sigmakan]

Spoke with the dev. team to get some answers on a few of the questions that have been popping up in the thread.

Are there level restrictions for instanced raids?
There is a minimum level required to enter, but not a maximum level. Therefore, if it’s a level 25 raid, as long as you are 25 or above you will be able to enter.

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Can you gain SP while battling in raids?
Yes.

What happens if you disconnect while in the instanced raid?
You'll be able to reconnect and rejoin your party. If the party has exited by the time you return, you will be placed outside of the dungeon.

Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

Both bold items are terrible decisions. Why make a minimum member requirement? The difficulty of the dungeon should determine how many members are needed, not some random minimum req. With populations dwindling, having 8 people is a lot harder than you think.

I'm all for designing it based on the assumption of 4/8 party sizes, but limiting parties to that is a bad decision.

[TheVedis]

Thank you, TheVedis. I've taken some flack for it (some people don't take me seriously since I'm not at level cap, even though I've played since closed beta ... just been taking my time and taking breaks here and there so I don't get burned out with frustration). But I display my signature bravely.

I have a plan! I'm a sliver away from 25 and I'm waiting for the 1.18 changes so I can get my husband to log in and we're gonna hit 25 and we're gonna dungeon it up! It'll be glorious.

I was hoping the fact that they gave us one mid-level dungeon and one high-level dungeon that it would keep both groups of players happy. Unfortunately, the heated debates continue. :/

well your attitude is shared by alot of people
i have a shell im in, where im the ONLY 50...out of 60 some odd people
and lets just say they share your opinion too
and i will be running this dungeon with them alot im sure(if they want me to run them through it, ill be on my 50, if they want a challenge, i got a 33 gladiator to help them out in)

[Rentahamster]

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

Can you please ask the devs what they think about a level cap, since if you can take rank 50s into the rank 30 dungeon, that is the opposite of difficult and does not jive with the stated goals of "rewarding skillful play" that was outlined in the battle reform letter.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Bay, this doesn't make any sense. You can't have a difficult raid if you can take classes in that are 20 levels over the intended design of the area. It can't work. If the one word is difficult, then by default it isn't even a rank 30 dungeon. It's a rank 50 dungeon you would be crazy to take R30s into.

Otherwise, the one word is not difficult.

Then run it with a lvl 30 group. Problem solved.

[Peregrine]

Both bold items are terrible decisions. Why make a minimum member requirement? The difficulty of the dungeon should determine how many members are needed, not some random minimum req. With populations dwindling, having 8 people is a lot harder than you think.

I'm all for designing it based on the assumption of 4/8 party sizes, but limiting parties to that is a bad decision.

Lowmanning is a mechanism to feed as few mouths as possible and has come to be synonymous with elitism and exclusion. I like that you have to have 8 members.

Some of the elitist shells are so unpopular that they can't even fill the 8 man roster without boxing because no one can stand them. And they like it that way because they don' thave to pay anyone but as few people as possible.

When you choose to get more gear for you than to hang around more peers, that's counter-MMO.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Can you please ask the devs what they think about a level cap, since if you can take rank 50s into the rank 30 dungeon, that is the opposite of difficult and does not jive with the stated goals of "rewarding skillful play" that was outlined in the battle reform letter.

If you go into a level 30 dungeon then you are not playing skillfully, but likewise you aren't being rewarded better than you would be if you played skillfully, i.e. be playing a dungeon of appropriate level. Don't blame the Devs.