Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Sigmakan]

Spoke with the dev. team to get some answers on a few of the questions that have been popping up in the thread.

Are there level restrictions for instanced raids?
There is a minimum level required to enter, but not a maximum level. Therefore, if it’s a level 25 raid, as long as you are 25 or above you will be able to enter.

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Can you gain SP while battling in raids?
Yes.

What happens if you disconnect while in the instanced raid?
You'll be able to reconnect and rejoin your party. If the party has exited by the time you return, you will be placed outside of the dungeon.

Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

Both bold items are terrible decisions. Why make a minimum member requirement? The difficulty of the dungeon should determine how many members are needed, not some random minimum req. With populations dwindling, having 8 people is a lot harder than you think.

I'm all for designing it based on the assumption of 4/8 party sizes, but limiting parties to that is a bad decision.

[Peregrine]

Both bold items are terrible decisions. Why make a minimum member requirement? The difficulty of the dungeon should determine how many members are needed, not some random minimum req. With populations dwindling, having 8 people is a lot harder than you think.

I'm all for designing it based on the assumption of 4/8 party sizes, but limiting parties to that is a bad decision.

Lowmanning is a mechanism to feed as few mouths as possible and has come to be synonymous with elitism and exclusion. I like that you have to have 8 members.

Some of the elitist shells are so unpopular that they can't even fill the 8 man roster without boxing because no one can stand them. And they like it that way because they don' thave to pay anyone but as few people as possible.

When you choose to get more gear for you than to hang around more peers, that's counter-MMO.

[Sigmakan]

Lowmanning is a mechanism to feed as few mouths as possible and has come to be synonymous with elitism and exclusion. I like that you have to have 8 members.

Some of the elitist shells are so unpopular that they can't even fill the 8 man roster without boxing because no one can stand them.

I understand that concern. But elitist shells are going to be elitist shells regardless. Forcing them to take 8 wont solve that to be honest. All it does is hurt LSs who have seen LS numbers dwindle and have trouble summoning 8 members reliably.

[Peregrine]

I understand that concern. But elitist shells are going to be elitist shells regardless. Forcing them to take 8 wont solve that to be honest. All it does is hurt LSs who have seen LS numbers dwindle and have trouble summoning 8 members reliably.

If you unlock it, R50s will solo the R30 instances. Can't happen from a server resource standpoint.
If you unlock R50 raids, people will not invite you to run with them. If they need more people to go, they'll be actively looking to complete the party.

The server would be much more inclusive. Hey we need you, come along. Rather than no gimp. You're just another mouth we don't need.

Your small shell would have a better time I think this way. Picking up new friends to fill your parties out, and in the process getting new shellmates.

It's good.

[TheVedis]

If you unlock it, R50s will solo the R30 instances. Can't happen from a server resource standpoint.
If you unlock R50 raids, people will not invite you to run with them. If they need more people to go, they'll be actively looking to complete the party.

The server would be much more inclusive. Hey we need you, come along. Rather than no gimp. You're just another mouth we don't need.

Your small shell would have a better time I think this way. Picking up new friends to fill your parties out, and in the process getting new shellmates.

It's good.

r50s cant solo the r30 dungeon anyway

so your arguement is moot right then and there

[Peregrine]

r50s cant solo the r30 dungeon anyway

so your arguement is moot right then and there

I could solo the R30 NMs if they unlocked the player requirements, so your input is irrelevant. I can destroy a party of rank 30's as a rank 50.
So yeah. I'd be soloing the R30 dungeon. Maybe you wouldn't on whatever caliber of conjurer or thaumaturge you have.

I'm not you. Pretty obvious.

[TheVedis]

I could solo the R30 NMs if they unlocked the player requirements, so your input is irrelevant. I can destroy a party of rank 30's as a rank 50.
So yeah. I'd be soloing the R30 dungeon. Maybe you wouldn't on whatever caliber of conjurer or thaumaturge you have.

I'm not you. Pretty obvious.

nope, you still cant solo the r30 dungeon
you still obviously have no idea what has been stated about these dungeons

[Elkwood]

I could solo the R30 NMs if they unlocked the player requirements, so your input is irrelevant. I can destroy a party of rank 30's as a rank 50.
So yeah. I'd be soloing the R30 dungeon. Maybe you wouldn't on whatever caliber of conjurer or thaumaturge you have.

I'm not you. Pretty obvious.

No you wont as the Dev comment said you must have 4 ppl to enter at said level so no you wont be soloing them

[TirionCrey]

I could solo the R30 NMs if they unlocked the player requirements, so your input is irrelevant. I can destroy a party of rank 30's as a rank 50.
So yeah. I'd be soloing the R30 dungeon. Maybe you wouldn't on whatever caliber of conjurer or thaumaturge you have.

I'm not you. Pretty obvious.

No you won't cause you NEED to be in a group of 4 people to enter the dungeon. And what the fuck is wrong with you. It's a R30 dungeon...so its tuned for R30s, not R50s...if you want a challenge in it, you need to go in it as R30, not R50...and this applies to ALL MMORPGs out there. Once you overlevel something, it becomes easier, but it's not content for the high lvls, its content for the low lvls, so there is nothing wrong with it. As a R50 there should be nothing of interest in the R30 dnugeon for you anyway...so obviously you enter and try to get the R50 dungeon done...and its tuned for R50, so the word "difficult" applie to it as much as it does to the R30 dnugeon, cause its tuned for that.

If you want a difficult R30 dungeon that even R50s have a hard time finishing it, why would you call it R30...you are just retarded. Use your common sense, or do other people need to chew your food for you? If Yoshida says "difficult" to both dungeons, he obviously means difficult for the TARGETED group of people the content was made for, which would be R30s in the case of the lower rank dungeon. THINK!

To the topic: Can people actually start to think? People want challenge in dungeons...they want difficulty...they want endgame content...well...I'm sorry but if you're allowed to bring as many peolpe as you wish, there is no challenge anymore. Content must be tuned for a specific size of groups to make it challenging, otherwise all balancing is in vain. So if you have trouble getting together a group of 8, start recruiting people that are interested in that kind of content. If you got too many ppl showing up and some have to sit out, get some rotation going...it's not that hard...beating endgame content means organising shit and if you're not able to do that, you shouldn't lead a LS in the first place that wants to do endgame. Endgame requires organisation and people who can think of stuff beforehand and deal with it in a proper manner with solutions. If you got members who are not willing to join in on the R50 dungeon every 2nd run, instead of EACH one, they are greedy lil lootwhores and you should sort them out anyway...

2nd possible conclusion, get enough for 2 groups and nobody/less ppl need to sit out. If you got more than 16 active players wanting to participate in endgame(which is unlikely at the current state of FFXIV), well, then some ppl have to sit out, but that's life... As long as the lockout timer for the dungeon won't be more than 2-3 days, I'm fine with sitting out every now and then, that's part of playing endgame...in XI you had to sit out on stuff like Bahamut v2, or Omega/Ultima as well, if more than 18ppl showed up. Sometimes you have to sit out, cause you don't have the class lvld thats needed...so there is a lot of reasons someone has to sit out and if that someone is not willing to do that...well fuck him...

PS: I can't wait for the threads about "PLS NERF R50 dungeon" cause my pick up group of mentally retarded people can't finish it within the timelimit...

[Sigmakan]

If you unlock it, R50s will solo the R30 instances. Can't happen from a server resource standpoint.
If you unlock R50 raids, people will not invite you to run with them. If they need more people to go, they'll be actively looking to complete the party.

The server would be much more inclusive. Hey we need you, come along. Rather than no gimp. You're just another mouth we don't need.

Your small shell would have a better time I think this way. Picking up new friends to fill your parties out, and in the process getting new shellmates.

It's good.

Its possible we'll get more shellmates, we'll see.

However, in regards to your first point. That would be solved if there was a level cap for R30s.