Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Do you at least agree that from a game design perspective - the lack of a level cap kills challenge and replayability, and thus the shelf life, or "freshness", so to speak, of the new content?

The only time someone is ever going to play the rank 25 dungeon AS a rank 25 class (i.e. at a rank appropriate for what the content was designed for) is when they are a noobie and don't have any other class higher than that. A majority of the time, once a player has a class that is higher than rank 25, he is going to run the dungeon at that higher rank just because it would be easier and faster that way. When there are tangible rewards and loot on the line, no one is going to purposely gimp themselves if they don't have to.

In the entirety of any particular player's life in FF14, the period of time where his highest battle class is only rank 25 is a very, very small time period. Once the player achieves a high rank and is allowed to blaze through low rank content, that content is no longer interesting and the players clamor for more, thus putting even more pressure on the devs.

With a rank cap, the content is kept challenging for all players, no matter how many high rank classes they may have, thus extending the replayability of the dungeon.

Sorry I don't, because I am not going to play or replay a dungeon that 1.) Forces me to play it as a r25 and 2.) Only has gear that is medium in range and has nothing else to offer me. At r50, the only reason I have to play the r25 dungeon is for fun, and having that dungeon restricted isn't fun for me. At r50, there is no reason I can't choose to a) run it on level 25 class just for fun or b) steamroll it as a r50 just for fun. The only purpose I have to play the r25 dungeon is for fun and the more limitation you put on that dungeon equals the less fun I will have.

Now, if it was for the sake of progression, then my opinion would be different.

[Rentahamster]

Now, if it was for the sake of progression, then my opinion would be different.

Acquiring new gear for your mid-rank classes from the dungeon is a form of progression.

[Starlord]

Acquiring new gear for your mid-rank classes from the dungeon is a form of progression.

Character Development

[Rentahamster]

Character Development

Yes, I know he was speaking in terms of SP gain, but getting better gear is as much an integral part of the process of character development as is SP gain.

[Starlord]

Yes, I know he was speaking in terms of SP gain, but getting better gear is as much an integral part of the process of character development as is SP gain.

Yep, as long as your doing something to Making you character Stronger/cool looking/Best stat gear/sp gain however you want to make your Character improve, is Character Development, as you said doesn't mean always mean get sp to get your Character somewhere =). Besides I'm sure the monsters you kill in the Dungeons will yield sp, I'm 99% sure of that,always leave 1% in case of failure .

Also, we will be getting information on these quest hubs too as well sometime this week or early next week.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Acquiring new gear for your mid-rank classes from the dungeon is a form of progression.

Its not progression if I don't need to do it. I can level any class to 50 without ever having to run a dungeon. Heck, I could level to 50 with onion gear for all I care. The only class I am interested in progressing is my main. Everything else is just for vanity's sake.

[Rentahamster]

The only class I am interested in progressing is my main. Everything else is just for vanity's sake.

You need skills from other classes to make your main class better. Rank 50 PGL with no skills from other classes is gimp.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

You need skills from other classes to make your main class better. Rank 50 PGL with no skills from other classes is gimp.

But again, I don't need the mid-rank NM gear to make my leveling any easier. I can get 50 more efficiently if I ignore dungeons and spent all my time running leves and grinding mobs. I don't need optimal equipment for that.

IF you want to see the R25 dungeon hold true to it's ranks, what SE needs to do is give good SP in the dungeon. THEN I would be encouraged to run it at r25.

[Rentahamster]

IF you want to see the R25 dungeon hold true to it's ranks, what SE needs to do is give good SP in the dungeon. THEN I would be encouraged to run it at r25.

If they're anything like leves, then dungeons probably would be a decent source of SP. If they weren't, the high rank dungeons would be only available at rank 50, not rank 45. If you can do the end-game dungeons at rank 45, it allows you to gain SP in the process that would go towards your character's level progression.


Anyway, answer this question:

Which course of action is more satisfying to a player who wants to get new dungeon-only gear for his rank 25 Gladiator.


Option 1: Kill everything super fast as a rank 50 Marauder, then "give" (so to speak) the gear to his rank 25 class.

or

Option 2: Complete the dungeon as a rank-appropriate rank 25 Gladiator, and "earn" the gear through hard work.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

If they're anything like leves, then dungeons probably would be a decent source of SP. If they weren't, the high rank dungeons would be only available at rank 50, not rank 45. If you can do the end-game dungeons at rank 45, it allows you to gain SP in the process that would go towards your character's level progression.


Anyway, answer this question:

Which course of action is more satisfying to a player who wants to get new dungeon-only gear for his rank 25 Gladiator.


Option 1: Kill everything super fast as a rank 50 Marauder, then "give" (so to speak) the gear to his rank 25 class.

or

Option 2: Complete the dungeon as a rank-appropriate rank 25 Gladiator, and "earn" the gear through hard work.

First, this question has 2 parts. The first is why would a rank 50 MRD need rank 25 GLD gear? The second part is, it depends on what kind of player you are talking about. In my case, if I just wanted some cool looking gear for the sake of just having it, I would run it as a 50. If I was looking for a challenge and I was bored of the rank 50 dungeon, I would run it as a 25.

You may not feel the same way, but what is the point in penalizing Player A that would have just as much fun running through a dungeon designed for a level 25 on his rank 50?