Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Rentahamster]

they can get the same 30 gear you can get at 30
if they want the better stuff they can go do the 50 dungeon

as we have stated SEVERAL times before but you just dont seem to understand that concept

Yes, I know that in general rank 50 gear is better than rank 30 gear. I know you have stated this before, but that is not the point that I am trying to make. That you responded as such means that you don't understand what I am saying.

Rank 50 raid gear is probably better than rank 30 raid gear, yes. However, rank 30 raid gear is also probably better than rank 30 non-raid gear.

It is not good balance to have the best rank 30 gear be the easiest to obtain. Hardly anyone would bother to craft other rank 30 gear since there would be no point.

Furthermore, having rank 30 raid gear is not a sign of accomplishment since it would have been possible to steamroll through the dungeon with your rank 50 class, or have another rank 50 do it for you.

This is why doing the rank 30 dungeons as a rank 30 character should reward you appropriately with uber rank 30 gear, whereas doing the rank 30 dungeon as a rank 50 character should not reward you with uber rank 30 gear because you didn't earn it.

If you're R50 and get equip from that R30 dungeon its only a temporary thing anyway...so what's the point? You won't get any R/E unique stuff in the R30 dungeon that will last you to the end of the game...

If the current R30 NMs are any indication, then you will. There are several pieces of R30 NM gear that are useful for endgame.

Even if there wasn't any R30 raid gear useful for endgame, it doesn't matter if "it's only a temporary thing anyway", since it "temporarily" screws up the item value balance at the rank 30 range for everyone.

[TheVedis]

It is not good balance to have the best rank 30 gear be the easiest to obtain. Hardly anyone would bother to craft other rank 30 gear since there would be no point.

Furthermore, having rank 30 raid gear is not a sign of accomplishment since it would have been possible to steamroll through the dungeon with your rank 50 class, or have another rank 50 do it for you.

im a crafter mostly, and let me tell you now, it wont hurt the market.
the new NM gear didnt, i still sell ALOT of stuff thats not considered better then the NM gear, and it sells GOOD

also, if it isnt an accomplishemnt, why are you so bent on stopping 50s from obtaining it easier then a 30?
you keep contradicting your point here


either it matters, or it doesnt

if it isnt important, if it isnt an accomplishment, why do you even care if a 50 gets it easier then a 30?

a 50 crafter can craft 30 gear easier then a 30 crafter can, does that make it unfair to the 30 crafter that he might fail when a 50 wont?
of course it doesnt!


the logic you keep putting forth isnt making sense with the point your trying to make, you keep counter arguing yourself

[Airlea]

...This is why doing the rank 30 dungeons as a rank 30 character should reward you appropriately with uber rank 30 gear, whereas doing the rank 30 dungeon as a rank 50 character should not reward you with uber rank 30 gear because you didn't earn it...

So what's one of the big perks to grinding a job to 50? It makes a lot of other stuff easier. That's part of your reward. Part of what you earned in achieving max rank. It sounds strangely like you're suggesting that no one would ever need gear for another r30 job again, and that if they do, they should only be able to obtain it on that job before they hit r30.

...If the current R30 NMs are any indication, then you will. There are several pieces of R30 NM gear that are useful for endgame...

Did you farm any of that gear? Did you make sure you were on a rank appropriate job before engaging the NMs? I mean, surely a r50 shouldn't be able to solo and obtain gear for another job. They didn't earn it amirite?

[TirionCrey]

I am totally fine with that being an option, as long as they don't get any good/rare items for steamrolling the dungeon.

If you're R50 and get equip from that R30 dungeon its only a temporary thing anyway...so what's the point? You won't get any R/E unique stuff in the R30 dungeon that will last you to the end of the game...

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Focant and Tirion, great posts guys. You two seem to understand not having a cap isn't a big deal nor affects the people looking for a challenge, now I wish other people would understand that too. :/

[Karbine]

People are behaving like every monster in the game should scale to the level of their job and thats just stupid. Of course as you advance, challenges that were alot harder at lower levels are now easy. And they will reward in line with the difficulty of said challenge. It only makes sense.

[giftforce]

I just realised.

If the combat system isn't even working, then how did they develop a boss fight for the "Raids" (for lack of a better term)?

I have low expectations for this.

[Isaaru]

They fixed the battle system and then using the new battle system, made it challenging?

[EdenArchangel]

lol, Reinhart I agree -- right now I feel I've gained a computer that can play anything but lost an FF

[zoekwon]

most hardest part about instant dungeon is not the boss. ....... but finding a party.