Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Focant]

There's so much cynicism on these boards these days. What's especially bad about it is that it's almost entirely self afflicted. People seem to expect the game to change overnight with a single patch. They get their hopes up beyond anything SE can realistically reach and when they don't deliver a world changing experience people rage. Even in the midst of their cynicism people STILL bank too much on single patches. I know we're all very impatient and really want the game to become something we'd gladly hand over our cash to experience, but you all have to realize this doesn't happen with just a single patch. There is no quick save. It's something that comes with time. I know just saying this won't stop people from expecting the world by tomorrow, but it's still just remarkably unhelpful to have that mentality.

Anyways, on topic I'm not surprised that they re-used monster models or weapon and armor models. For one they have a backlog of unimplemented equipment so why not use that rather than waste time creating whole new things, ignoring previous work done. Especially considering all the gameplay mechanics they're actively tweaking. Same for the dungeons considering the rank 45+ has been in-game for a while now. Why not use the assets already in place, it's not like they took something we can already experience and just copy/pasted it. Of course it's also silly, as others have said, to infer so much from two simple screen shots. There are no details on how the dungeons play out, no shots of the bosses or how they behave, or really anything beyond probably the first part of the dungeon and entry conditions. I'm not saying it all belies some AMAZING content, but it's not really helpful for anyone, especially yourselves, to rag on the dungeons based on so little. Really we should wait, experience them, and offer HELPFUL feedback rather than rants.

Oh well, sorry for the length. I'm especially interested in the comment of "fulfilling certain conditions within the area" along side killing enemies and finding treasure chests. I'm hoping that we'll have some interesting variety.

[Reaux]

There's so much cynicism on these boards these days. What's especially bad about it is that it's almost entirely self afflicted. People seem to expect the game to change overnight with a single patch. They get their hopes up beyond anything SE can realistically reach and when they don't deliver a world changing experience people rage. Even in the midst of their cynicism people STILL bank too much on single patches. I know we're all very impatient and really want the game to become something we'd gladly hand over our cash to experience, but you all have to realize this doesn't happen with just a single patch. There is no quick save. It's something that comes with time. I know just saying this won't stop people from expecting the world by tomorrow, but it's still just remarkably unhelpful to have that mentality.

But is it helpful and right for people to keep making excuses for the developers? They set up the expectations to an extent. Do some people go overboard and hype themselves up too much, yes. But you cannot place the blame solely on the playerbase. The development cycle for the game was long, it was the companies choice to release it in such a state and for that they open themselves up to criticism. It was SE's choice to cut beta short and release early. They are not following through on their own time tables that THEY set up, not us. They are also not following through on smaller promises like new quests with each patch.

You cannot blame only the loud forum people for their cynicism and bad word of mouth. SE did develop the game...seeing as we are still playing many of us are still holding out for hope, but this is also SE we all know since the merger they haven't exactly had a good run with producing quality product and fulfilling promises.

[Focant]

But is it helpful and right for people to keep making excuses for the developers? They set up the expectations to an extent. Do some people go overboard and hype themselves up too much, yes. But you cannot place the blame solely on the playerbase. The development cycle for the game was long, it was the companies choice to release it in such a state and for that they open themselves up to criticism. It was SE's choice to cut beta short and release early. They are not following through on their own time tables that THEY set up, not us. They are also not following through on smaller promises like new quests with each patch.

You cannot blame only the loud forum people for their cynicism and bad word of mouth. SE did develop the game...seeing as we are still playing many of us are still holding out for hope, but this is also SE we all know since the merger they haven't exactly had a good run with producing quality product and fulfilling promises.

Certainly SE is to blame for the current state of the game. They rushed it out and didn't really listen to beta testers. However how are they now, after all that has occurred, after the development team was shuffled around in a very public way, to blame for the way people behave? They've made fairly detailed posts on what they plan to do in the future and even go on to mention how they have no set time tables for several of those developments. They reveal things as they're ready to be and occasionally put out things to wet the appetites of the rabid fanbase, but as far as I know they've never played off any patch, any development, as something utterly game saving. Everything has been put out as a small step to some ultimate goal. Not everything they do is gold, sure, but they aren't entirely to blame for the roller coaster of hype and disappointment that so many on these boards seem to go through time and time again.

I don't think SE is infallible. I have my own doubts about how well they can implement change in this game. I do, however, try to be sympathetic to their position and the amount of work that's laid out before them. I want to see this game succeed and as such am willing to offer feedback and attempt to stave off any emotional and baseless ranting against literally everything SE does. The amount of SE bashing I've seen lately just bothers me. The fanbase is like an abusive boyfriend at times and it makes no sense to me. ._.

[Reaux]

Certainly SE is to blame for the current state of the game. They rushed it out and didn't really listen to beta testers. However how are they now, after all that has occurred, after the development team was shuffled around in a very public way, to blame for the way people behave? They've made fairly detailed posts on what they plan to do in the future and even go on to mention how they have no set time tables for several of those developments. They reveal things as they're ready to be and occasionally put out things to wet the appetites of the rabid fanbase, but as far as I know they've never played off any patch, any development, as something utterly game saving. Everything has been put out as a small step to some ultimate goal. Not everything they do is gold, sure, but they aren't entirely to blame for the roller coaster of hype and disappointment that so many on these boards seem to go through time and time again.

I don't think SE is infallible. I have my own doubts about how well they can implement change in this game. I do, however, try to be sympathetic to their position and the amount of work that's laid out before them. I want to see this game succeed and as such am willing to offer feedback and attempt to stave off any emotional and baseless ranting against literally everything SE does. The amount of SE bashing I've seen lately just bothers me. The fanbase is like an abusive boyfriend at times and it makes no sense to me. ._.

The SE bashing isn't just in the forums and it;s not JUST because of FFXIV. It is in every major gaming medium. Since the merger anything not Dragon Quest has been a flop with the exception of remakes. This is a series of mistakes that have disenchanted people so it is not baseless saying that they will disappoint because they keep disappointing. As a major corporation they deserve no sympathy, they are in this to make money and they don't feel bad when they release something sub-par to us. I offer constructive non-emotional whiney feedback in the proper forums. but that doesn't we can't also voice disappointment/joy/concern of which I do.

Ex: Dungeons = yay
New Gear = yay
New Battle system = Well, could be fun but I don't like having to relearn my job and all the new ways the skills will be because basically what we have now is a placeholder til they finish testing whatever they have. But I better look cute in the BLM outfit they posted months ago.

[Focant]

The SE bashing isn't just in the forums and it;s not JUST because of FFXIV. It is in every major gaming medium. Since the merger anything not Dragon Quest has been a flop with the exception of remakes. This is a series of mistakes that have disenchanted people so it is not baseless saying that they will disappoint because they keep disappointing. As a major corporation they deserve no sympathy, they are in this to make money and they don't feel bad when they release something sub-par to us. I offer constructive non-emotional whiney feedback in the proper forums. but that doesn't we can't also voice disappointment/joy/concern of which I do.

Ex: Dungeons = yay
New Gear = yay
New Battle system = Well, could be fun but I don't like having to relearn my job and all the new ways the skills will be because basically what we have now is a placeholder til they finish testing whatever they have. But I better look cute in the BLM outfit they posted months ago.

The heads of the corporation perhaps but how can you justify saying no one at SE takes any pride in their work? I can't with 100% assurance say you're wrong but why make that assumption? Why treat them as if they have no hope of ever pleasing you if at the same time you want them to?

Anyways, I haven't played a lot of classic Square or Enix games and I've enjoyed the recent releases well enough. They weren't works of the century sure but did I have fun? Yeah. XI especially was incredibly fun as far as I'm concerned. So perhaps our difference of opinion is just based on our history with the company. I still think they are capable of making a game I enjoy.

You can be weary of future developments based on the track record you're familiar with; however, that does not justify baseless hate or blaming SE for setting your own expectations too high.

[RedAffinity]

For me, there's 2 parts to my excitement, or lack thereof. It's natural to feel underwhelmed, certainly just by the very short preview it all looks underwhelming. Nothing looks new there from a graphical standpoint so the cool-factor is already low, and usually to sell something some of the best is displayed to garner attention, and that makes me wonder if it's more copy/paste armor.

You can't really blame some of us for feeling underwhelmed given what was shown. Of course i'll still be here, I'll continue to be optimistic despite having my occasional doubts. If the battle system is adjusted and fun, I can only imagine these dungeons will be pretty damn exciting to play as well, so I'm really looking forward to seeing how everything in this patch will turn out.

[Abriael]

You can't really blame some of us for feeling underwhelmed given what was shown.

Can easy blame some trolls that continue to say "same dugeons retextured", when it's obviously not true to anyone that has eyes. The environments shown in the areas have no equivalent in the current dungeons.

And if you feel underwhelmed for two low resolution sneak peek pictures, then it's self-inflicted, as someone already said.

[RedAffinity]

Can easy blame some trolls that continue to say "same dugeons retextured", when it's obviously not true to anyone that has eyes. The environments shown in the areas have no equivalent in the current dungeons.

And if you feel underwhelmed for two low resolution sneak peek pictures, then it's self-inflicted, as someone already said.

Well the first one looks like mun tuy cellars, the second one looks rehashed of something else we've seen a few dozen times elsewhere. The enemies in that preview are re-skinned monsters of what little variety already exists in world. I'm not complaining, i'm sharing with you some facts based on what was shown.

Some of us who are underwhelmed aren't dismissing the entire system. We're just not excited based on what's been shown thus far. Each preview is designed to inform, and sell. It's certainly attempted to inform, but I'm definitely not sold. When you have an empty canvas before you, you have every opportunity to paint the perfect picture. The fact is, what's been revealed is either an indication of rehashed content, or the team in charge of putting together previews are failing to do their jobs. The concept excites me, that preview doesn't.

don't agree? deal.

[Abriael]

Well the first one looks like mun tuy cellars, the second one looks rehashed of something else we've seen a few dozen times elsewhere.

Nope, they do not. Funny that you can't even specify and go with a generic "rehashed of something else", because you don't even know what you're talking about, and you're just trying to spin it negatively.

[LateReg]

Nope, they do not. Funny that you can't even specify and go with a generic "rehashed of something else", because you don't even know what you're talking about, and you're just trying to spin it negatively.

You're just kidding yourself if you don't think the one looks like Mun-Tuy/Tam-Tara. We've even seen the locked Gridania dungeons... those look like Mun-Tuy and Tam-Tara too.