Instanced Raids Unveiled!

[Rentahamster]

So in other words I just got the "well, that's different..."

It IS different.

It's different because the current NMs are open-world and anyone can fight them. That's the nature of open-world.

It's different because the dungeon content is supposed to be specifically designed to be difficult, and it's not difficult if you can just steamroll through the rank 30 dungeon with a rank 50 class.

99% of it you won't use endgame, and even then it's situational.

Nope. There are many R30 NM items that are used in endgame: Kokoroon armor, Conqistador Elmo, Nighthawk Visor, Eternal Shade, Vambraces, Penance, Seer's Cowl, Bilaud.

so youll do it at 50 because you can?

I do it at 50 because it's a waste of my time otherwise.

but what happens if you friends dont want you on a 50? they want you on a 30 character, would you go down to 30 to do it? or would you tell them to F off?
i personaly would use the character appropriate to the group, and id be very happy to have the CHOICE to do so

If they asked me to come as a lower rank class, of course I would do that. I still have rank 30-ish classes to rank up so that would be fine.

It's funny that you give this scenario as your example of having a "CHOICE", since if my friends want me to play, and I want to play as a R30 Thaumatuge, I do not have the "CHOICE" to do so because I am a rank 50 THM.

Your argument for "no level caps" is for players to have the CHOICE to steamroll dungeons as a rank 50 character, not to accommodate their friends.

cuz guess what, the r30 dungeon is FILLER not meant to keep you occupied over and over and over, thats the r50 dungeons job

the r30 dungeon is filler til you get to the r50

And if the R30 dungeon had level caps, it would no longer be filler, and would actually be real, repeatable content, just like the rank 50 dungeon.

This is the whole reason why BCNM fights are level capped in FF11.

[TheVedis]

It IS different.

It's different because the current NMs are open-world and anyone can fight them. That's the nature of open-world.

It's different because the dungeon content is supposed to be specifically designed to be difficult, and it's not difficult if you can just steamroll through the rank 30 dungeon with a rank 50 class.


Nope. There are many R30 NM items that are used in endgame: Kokoroon armor, Conqistador Elmo, Nighthawk Visor, Eternal Shade, Vambraces, Penance, Seer's Cowl, Bilaud.


I do it at 50 because it's a waste of my time otherwise.


If they asked me to come as a lower rank class, of course I would do that. I still have rank 30-ish classes to rank up so that would be fine.

It's funny that you give this scenario as your example of having a "CHOICE", since if my friends want me to play, and I want to play as a R30 Thaumatuge, I do not have the "CHOICE" to do so because I am a rank 50 THM.

Your argument for "no level caps" is for players to have the CHOICE to steamroll dungeons as a rank 50 character, not to accommodate their friends.



And if the R30 dungeon had level caps, it would no longer be filler, and would actually be real, repeatable content, just like the rank 50 dungeon.

This is the whole reason why BCNM fights are level capped in FF11.

so if you want a choice to do it on 30 thm instead of 50 thm, and caps were "optional" then that would be that standard be ok then wouldnt it?

so a forced cap doesnt matter, an optional one would be ok to you?

[Rentahamster]

so if you want a choice to do it on 30 thm instead of 50 thm, and caps were "optional" then that would be that standard be ok then wouldnt it?

so a forced cap doesnt matter, an optional one would be ok to you?

As I've said before, an optional cap is perfectly fine, as long as I don't get rewarded with good R30 loot for zerging through a R30 dungeon with a rank 50 character.

[TheVedis]

As I've said before, an optional cap is perfectly fine, as long as I don't get rewarded with good R30 loot for zerging through a R30 dungeon with a rank 50 character.

you can always drop that loot if you feel you didnt deserve it

but again, you shouldnt force your opinion of that on others, they earned it, and it isnt up to you to determine if they did or did not

[Rentahamster]

you can always drop that loot if you feel you didnt deserve it

but again, you shouldnt force your opinion of that on others, they earned it, and it isnt up to you to determine if they did or did not

This isn't about me and whether or not I think I or you or anyone else deserves anything.

This is about the game as a whole and trying to keep content fresh with a long shelf life, as well as having players feel a sense of accomplishment in their adventures.

[TheVedis]

This isn't about me and whether or not I think I or you or anyone else deserves anything.

This is about the game as a whole and trying to keep content fresh with a long shelf life, as well as having players feel a sense of accomplishment in their adventures.

its not on you to determine if others feel a sense of accomplishment

you keep talking as if what you think matters as far as what others feel about their game experience
how others percieve things arent how you do, face that fact