Remove/rework the "vote to abandon" feature in Crystal Tower

[Deviant1]

Square can't know of the immaturity of MMO players can they?

10 minutes looking through these forums would clearly set the bar for none.

[DefendPopPunk]

This literally removes any motivation I had to run CT this week. Trolls in CT were bad enough before this. GG SE. Out of the mountainous heaps of suggestions I see on these boards, I hardly see how this got enough development time to make it to 2.15 over everything else.

[Grailer]

Obviously they should've made it so you can vote to leave dungeon with no reprocussions. Not vote to disband entire party

[Grailer]

This literally removes any motivation I had to run CT this week. Trolls in CT were bad enough before this. GG SE. Out of the mountainous heaps of suggestions I see on these boards, I hardly see how this got enough development time to make it to 2.15 over everything else.

Trolls are at an advantage because DF is completely anon. You cant blacklist a troll.

[Zakalwe]

Trolls are at an advantage because DF is completely anon. You cant blacklist a troll.

...and this goes to the basic error in SE's development of the DF. The anon nature of a multi-world DF is, in my view, the origins of our toxic community. Acting this way when there are reputational consequences would give one more pause

[ReiszRie]

Actually Square should know the immaturity of MMO players and deliberately build systems to prevent them abusing it. Most other MMOs have their game systems designed to minimise potential abuse... it's common sense design. SquareEnix tend to completely overlook really obvious abuses though, such as votekicking during loot rolls (which was fixed today) and players abandoning CT runs when they get their loot.

It is SE's responsibility to ensure they do not give trolls tools to ruin other people's play experience.

Vote abandon was a feature players had repeatedly requested for in the forums and now its magically a feature that SE irresponsibly added and should be removed? damned if you do damned if you don't

[ReiszRie]

People will always steal from others so why make laws to try and prevent as much of it as we can?

Laws only serves as a deterrence against stealing, there is nothing to stop anyone from stealing from you, similarly, if a player or alliance is trolling you, you can always report them to the GM.

By your logic it is never worth making any attempt to prevent any crime because someone will always find a way...

FYI making it harder to commit crime in the first place does more to reduce crime than enforcing harsher penalties. It is the same in this instance. If you fail to understand that then I fear I cannot help you.

What you guys are advocating here (remove vote abandon) is equivalent to banning all knives to prevent knife attacks

[Yshnal]

Vote abandon was a feature players had repeatedly requested for in the forums and now its magically a feature that SE irresponsibly added and should be removed? damned if you do damned if you don't

The problem is that it has been added with many flaws, things that a lot of us would have designed another way.

Laws only serves as a deterrence against stealing, there is nothing to stop anyone from stealing from you, similarly, if a player or alliance is trolling you, you can always report them to the GM.

Why give more workload to GMs when it can simply be fixed forever? To use the stealing example, it would be like saying that laws aren't necessary because you can always buy a gun (because you couldn't call the police without a law protecting you). A bit overkill, if you ask me.

Not to mention that it's not only that it can be misused or used for trolling, but that the whole system design in an alliance as they work like now doesn't make sense at all.

What you guys are advocating here (remove vote abandon) is equivalent to banning all knives to prevent knife attacks

Actually, I think that you misunderstood the thread. The system only should to be removed (in CT only) if fixing it in a timely manner (as to avoid innecessary bad blood) is not possible. I posted what I would fix in the previous page, and I think that it can be done.

[Lyrinn]

Tangent aside, I think regarding alliances it would be better to have 2/3 majority rather than bare majority just because there are far more people involved. I think it's a compromise between the people who dislike being forced to restart a dungeon because or trolls or quitters or what have you, and the people arguing a simple majority is enough. Plus, three full parties, 2/3 is majority among parties, etc.

As for the vote spamming, I don't understand why there isn't a restriction on it to begin with. Once every 4h (I think that's the timer for vote kick?) is obviously too long but even once every 10 minutes to give a group some time to fail before calling it quits seems fair. Any shorter and it may continue to be obnoxious, but any longer and you deny people the opportunity to re-evaluate the situation.