Question and concerns about the vanity sytem..

[alhandra]

Then what's the problem?

you tell me? youre the one who said i would get my ass kicked. in any case i was just using that as an example, the OP said seasonal gear would "ruin his immersion" the premise of my response is who gives a crap about your immersion. what about MY immersion, its my char, i pay the sub, i unlocked the gear, if a vanity system is ever released i should be able to put whatever i want in those slots. after all, why go thru the work of unlocking special or seasonal gear if we cant use it?

[Naunet]

Pretty sure the vanity system will not include off classes/seasonal gear.

And thus it will never be as good as it could. No restrictions on gear, please.

[Highlanderx]

Yes... I know about a BLM not being able to talk as a PLD.. but having people raid in sesonsal gear is something I would think is just silly..

Except if you can't use seasonal gear as vanity, There is no point of any of it being in the game.

[GabrielK]

I believe they'll allow it if:

1. The item you want to use to remodel, is equip-able by the class you're on OR the gear you want to remodel is for the same class(es)/job(s) as the gear used to remodel. I say this since it depends on how they'll go about it in the end: vanity as slots (a-la Rift) or item alteration (a-la WoW)

2. The item used to remodel has stats. I don't think they'll allow "bikinis" for example that are casual wear to be used. All previous event gear that was, in my opinion, added for future use in the vanity system (such as the Lightning's Fates gear), had some stats.

3. Whether the item you're remodelling has at least the same character level requirement as the item used to remodel. (NOT ilvl, ilvl would play no role)

Of course in the future (or from the start ? avoid the stat check?) they could add items that are specifically designed to remodel the usual sets, such as pure vanity sets with no combat stats but with a "stat" called "Usable for vanity" or something. Items that were not designed with combat or crafting/gathering in mind (bikinis, Santa costumes, reindeer costumes, etc) would not have the "Usable for remodeling" stat.

Also they could possibly add another stat to an item called "Remodel-able" that indicates whether an item can be used in the vanity system (made to look like another piece of gear). If they wish certain items to be set in stone in terms of looks... (thou I am not sure why they would)

They could think this out very well, without going overboard in restrictions while still maintaining a large degree of customization.

Personally I do not care for using bikinis in DOW/DOM/DOL/DOH. Using heavy Paladin gear on my Black Mage ? Nope ! Feels very out of place and awkward. If they had a "Battle Mage" or something that can wear "plate" like items then I'd be ok with it, as it stands however, BLM is a "clothie" in my eyes as they're sometimes called ^^".

You could give the example of the plate bikinis in or caster bikinis from Darkhold, but I beg to differ, those were specifically designed for combat, even if they're obviously offer little to no protection.. but it's intended. Summer bikinis were not intended for combat.



Sure some people may argue that there should be no restrictions but I think it would be detrimental to the game's overall feeling and the immersion (yes, immersion) if there wouldn't be some rules along the lines of what I described above.

Anyway, my 3.141592653... cents ?

[GabrielK]

Except if you can't use seasonal gear as vanity, There is no point of any of it being in the game.

I disagree, it is for fooling around purposes and RP.
You or I may not partake in such things but quite a few do, and they can fully enjoy their sexy bikinis and other playful/casual outfits .

[alhandra]

I disagree, it is for fooling around purposes and RP.
You or I may not partake in such things but quite a few do, and they can fully enjoy their sexy bikinis and other playful/casual outfits .

i highly doubt that seasonal or vanity gear was only added to be used in town or for RP purposes, thats alot of work to put in to only please such a small demographic of players in such a limited way

[GabrielK]

i highly doubt that seasonal or vanity gear was only added to be used in town or for RP purposes, thats alot of work to put in to only please such a small demographic of players in such a limited way

I strongly think it was.
It is the case for every and all MMOs I've played yet.
Call it.. an educated opinion/guess.

And I am not trying to have the last word, you're entitled to your opinion, just felt the need to say something extra .

[Edellis]

what about MY immersion, its my char, i pay the sub, i unlocked the gear, after all, why go thru the work of unlocking special or seasonal gear if we cant use it?

Well that's what the discussion is about. You paid the sub, you unlocked the gear, but the developers have no obligation to make the clothing you want to wear have stats they didnt intend for them to have. Of course they themselves mentioned they're adding vanity slots, so now we're just guessing over how lenient the system will be.

The whole point is, you CAN use the seasonal gear. It works. I use it all the time. There's no restriction to wearing it, but there are consequences as they are not battle-intended. But on the subject of "your immersion vs. my immersion", this is really more like "How it is vs. How i think it should be".

But anyone who argues that the current setup of gear/stat relationship is somehow independent of global immersion really is just being egocentric. If Square didn't care, then they'd have made it "equip what you want" and then created a bunch of random manga outfits for you to throw on.

You know. Like XIII-3.

[Naunet]

I strongly think it was.

I really don't think those reindeer and snowman outfits were made for roleplayers. >_> Or... any of the undyeable outfits, really.

[alhandra]

being able to wear it around town when bs'ing with your friends and being able to wear it when you are actually playing the game(eg raiding, dungeons, quests) are very different. ive seen some pretty cool and unique vanity set-ups that were a combination of seasonal and regular gear, it would just be a shame to have a restriction on it when it has little to no bearing on gameplay or mechanics.

why such an uproar over this? the people that are purists can still wear whatever makes them happy. everyone else that just wants to look good while still being able to perform your job and not like a clone of every other high lvl character can be happy

a non restricted vanity slot system would be a win/win for everyone