What is it like to be unable to clear all of the content?

[Maye]

I'm going to preface this by saying this isn't intended to be a boast-post although I know I'm going to be accused of boasting anyways.

I'm a hardcore player who enjoys playing a lot, slamming my face against a raid encounter until we win, doing math behind finding optimal rotations for DPS classes, keeping track of mechanics, etc etc. I've played two jobs on separate characters in separate groups through all of the content in the game, including Turn 5 -- One of which groups I'm responsible for leading.

Not every player is like this. I can understand that.

The purpose of this post is just to gather feedback and improve understanding in general. People play games for different reasons, and while we all want to have fun this is different for every player.

This post mainly aims to draw upon the group of players that forego some content because they view it as being too difficult or unattainable, especially the vocal minority which complains about it being this way - but hopefully I can draw out some less vocal players as well and see their angle of things.

I like to think I'm not an elitist jerk, but please do call me out if I come off the wrong way. Part of the reason I'm asking these is because I help manage my FC, and while I get along well with the more hardcore players there's a bit of a disconnect between me and our more casual player base... it happens!

Some key points I'm interested in, but feel free to post more or less than I ask.

What content has gated you, and for how long?

Why are you stuck here?

Are you upset about this? (if so - why? and how can content be added for more hardcore players such as myself without upsetting you.)

Should any changes be made to the content to accomodate you and players like yourself?

What kind of content would you like to see added in future patches for you to enjoy?

Please include any other information you think might be relevant.

Please refrain from name calling, pointing out that I have no life, arguing, giving unwanted tips etc etc. I'd like to keep this as on topic and productive as possible.

[avecha]

Well i can see why there is a disconnect between you and the casual player base.

[tymora]

My answer to your question = "Not a big deal"
Uncleared content = "Something to work towards"

[Maye]

Well i can see why there is a disconnect between you and the casual player base.

Thanks for the contribution, I think I phrased something wrong.

My answer to your question = "Not a big deal"
Uncleared content = "Something to work towards"

Makes the most sense to me, and is how I feel personally. It's more interesting when there's new content to clear so I'm a little jealous.

[Gramul]

The only thing stopping me from moving forward is the time I invest into the many other aspects of my life. I'm not stuck. I'm just moving forward slowly. And that's hardly a bother at all.

[Xavos]

I don't see why any of this matters to you?

[Maye]

I don't see why any of this matters to you?

I guess I'm seeking to understand the type of player who says "this is too hard for me" and sets their own limitations? I can understand "I'm busy doing other things with my life" or "I'm working on it" -- There's a lot of debate on this forum that goes on about how "everyone should be able to clear the content" which directly contradicts challenge(beaten by time invested/player ability/etc) -- and I can definitely understand the "I want new, harder, shinier content" side of things, but I don't understand what kinds of content the other side of the fence would like introduced.

[Jilse]

I guess I'm seeking to understand the type of player who says "this is too hard for me" and sets their own limitations? I can understand "I'm busy doing other things with my life" or "I'm working on it" -- There's a lot of debate on this forum that goes on about how "everyone should be able to clear the content" which directly contradicts challenge(beaten by time invested/player ability/etc) -- and I can definitely understand the "I want new, harder, shinier content" side of things, but I don't understand what kinds of content the other side of the fence would like introduced.

You could answer your own question as well as close the so called gap in your own FC by asking those casual players there this question, instead of taking it to strangers on the OF. If there is a disconnect within your own FC over this issue, you should address it as the leader. Ask them how they feel, as well as input on how to fix things. Do not offer to "carry" anyone though, simply help them learn and overcome the content they are having trouble with, so they can help others. Like, in my FC, we have yet to do coil yet, mainly because we only have like 7 active members (if anyone looking to join, we are casual, learning FC on Balmung), but also we want everyone to be comfortable in their roles before we start running in. Some have ran coil as pugs, and thats cool cause it gives us some knowledge of what to expect.

I think what I am trying to say is basically do a grass roots type meeting within your own FC, you may be surprised at the results.

[Maye]

(snip)

Some assumptions here that I want to address...

First I am not the FC leader. I don't think I would make a good FC leader. Second, the disconnect isn't really as I stated. It's more like I play with players who play for the same reasons as I do and keep pretty busy. I also lead some learning runs because I like watching fresh groups progress through content, and the number of players who are (rightfully) scared of the community is just amazing to me.

As for carrying people through content, we have more than enough players who can do this, but I definitely agree that it's the wrong way to go about it.

The disconnect I mentioned is more of a... "I'm not sure why you play this game" kind of idea, and while I could ask people individually I think it is a bit rude, so I would rather ask a general population and allow players who might be more comfortable with themselves to volunteer information to me, than pinpointing individuals.

[Parodine]

I think trying to understand different perspectives is a good thing. I don't see the boast as bragging, more like trying to understand a different player-type other than oneself.

What content has gated you, and for how long?

I haven't technically completed any coil turns or made it past any Ex. Primals yet.

Why are you stuck here?

It's less about the difficulty, and more to do with me being ADD when it comes to what I want to do in this game. I leveled up PLD as my first job. It's ilvl 80 now. Not long after, I leveled SMN. It's ilvl 76. Well, WHM is also a passion...now it's ilvl 73. All have +1 relics. Just got BRD up to 50 last week. Got it's relic too. And now what do I want to level? DRG. It's lvl 28 already. T___T 4 Alts for a newbie is a lot, but I enjoy the concept of those jobs, so to me it's worth it. I also focused and got all 3 gathering classes to 50...now all crafting classes to 15+. I'll start working on them once my leve supply increases.

I've spread so many resources over so many jobs...my PLD got a good portion of myth, but I spent 1800 on my WHM and SMN for their weapons. Thank god for CT so that I can reasonably gear them. So much time trying to level other jobs that interested me and try to make a good crafting/gathering base so I can feasibly make money whenever person housing comes out. As you can see, I just haven't made it a priority. If I pooled all the myth I've earned, I probably would have close to an ilvl 90 PLD...but I just don't want it right now.

I've tried Turn 2 with my FC and done some pick-up training runs for Ex. Garuda, but it hasn't been a priority to learn them...yet.

Are you upset about this? (if so - why? and how can content be added for more hardcore players such as myself without upsetting you.)

If I am upset, I'm upset not at the content but at myself for my playstyle. I'll readily admit - looking at people with allagan and ex primal weapons make me jealous. I want them for sure...but I've been enjoying the game in my own way. I have no doubt that eventually I will get through the content, but it will take a while because I want to continue to spread my resources over my jobs. I've decided the next two week's myth will get saved for +1ing my future DRG relic...a job I don't even have yet. SE can keep adding content the way they can...I'd just like fights to be a bit more flexible as opposed to 'learn this strict pattern or you die'.

Should any changes be made to the content to accomodate you and players like yourself?

For myself? No. For people with connection/lag issues? I say try.

In an ideal world there wouldn't be a myth cap and I could farm as much as I want for the jobs I want, but I understand why it exists and why it shouldn't be removed right now.

What kind of content would you like to see added in future patches for you to enjoy?

Open world exploration content. Mini-games in the Golden saucer I'm looking forward to as well. Personal housing so I have something to spend money on...fun vanity gear. More jobs.