Thread: 2.15 PvP changes

@ Deca

I think most Rank 30s who stressed out from the Marathon to 30 are mostly trolling during solo Queues. Half the time I'm trying to Sleep Melee to go to a straight Fire 3 > Flare Hardcast =P. And also refusing to Swiftcast Sleep cause I want to Convert Swiftcast Flare for giggles.

The best of all now u get still hit even if u jump.

mmm so whos actually gonna use 4v4 ? We barely have any high rank meele dps in our server lol ...
Unless 2s or 1s XP per win is like 40 or more and lose is 20? (considering the risk of 2s) , I think were still stuck with 3s.

Good morning guys. From what I've seen, the community can both help and also ruin our game. I believe that some things in this update were too hasty.

Why people cry to nerf something? Why not just try to play better? Since they are great skilled gamers, intelligent and opinion leaders. Any class can do a lot damage if free to do DPS. I think the ARR mathematically very balanced both in PvP and PvE.

About PvP, I think what should make difference would be the teamplay and individual skill. But it's not what we have seen. For me it's more than clear that once again in a MMO, the grind and gear are making more difference than skills.

Adjusting the queue was a very good point, but it would be better to just leave a solo or 4s queue. I played quite premade 3s and was where I made more exp. There is nothing to discuss, it was the largest imbalance that existed: premade 3s X random. I'm pretty sure that first r30 guys played almost only in premades where most of his wins came from coward imbalance than their fingers. I saw players who licK.s R.30 people to grind in a premade with two r30.

In a matter of class and jobs, we have to be careful before you cry or ask to nerf certain class. But anyway all changes is a matter of adapting to the good players.
Except for some improvements to melee, I believe that everything was too unwise. Speaking as a smn ranged dps with 200 + ms latency, I do not think the Miama's hevy is better than sleep and lethargy of BLM or bind and kick of the Bard. I do not think rez is better than BLM manashields or ABSURD ability of the Bard to cast while walking and make the best use of the pillars and walls. And the SCH, how it will look against the stone, fluid aura and repose of the WHM?

But anyway, I'm pretty sure that good summoners as Milk Bog, DJ, Dec Ember and Cali Ex will adapt and continue representing our job very well.

But now let's think about the next class to be the target of nerf: Thaumaturge

Originally Posted by deki

I do not think rez is better than BLM manashields

How is pulling a member of your team back up not significantly better than a 2 hit physical shield and a 30% hp magic shield? D:
Comparing them just makes it sound like you're downplaying how strong a battle rez is.

I won't be surprised if they do something about sleep next.
The duration of it is pretty silly.

I'm personally surprised Summoner was not more adjusted than it was. I say 'adjusted' rather than 'nerfed' because a flat out nerf would make us weaker than other classes, not balanced. The nerf on Miasma 1/2 (from 50% down to 20%) and the removal of 'battle rez' didn't seem that bad to me. I thought it was specifically mentioned by an official source that our PETS were the thing that made us slightly overpowered (arcanists in general) and that they would be reworked? It seems they didn't touch pets... but, the restriction they put on one melee / one ranged dps should be enough to force balance in teams. It's sad it needs to be absolutely forced though. I like the changes they made regarding 'bonus' exp for signing up as 1/2/4 people. It should help fix the 'let's queue as 3 people' epidemic. I also support the reduction of materia prices... they were far too high, even for hardcore rank 30 pvpers.