So apparently FFXIV-App is banworthy now?

[Zantetsuken]

Anyone who is abusive to other players over a DPS score obtained by a 3rd party program deserves a temporary ban -- not for using the 3rd party program exactly, but rather using for malicious intent.

Not saying that the player in question was being abusive.. I have no evidence of that... but we all know the type...




Ont he other hand...

Likewise they could report you, and your low DPS, for disrupting their gaming experience. It's not a one way street. You are in a group and the interest of the group comes before the individual.

^^ This is a tactic often used by elitist individuals who are convinced they alone represent the attitude of the group. ^^


In a random DF/PUG, you'll find often good people who are willing to be patient and teach people the fight, just as you'll find sometimes get impatient elitists asshats who think the best/fastest way to win is to bully people into it (It almost never works BTW, but they keep trying...)

[Iymala]

The GM does not seem concerned at all about what was said, but with the "APP" that was being run by the user. Which seems a bit ridiculous since multiple community reps said that FFXIV APP did not violate the TOS, but users should be careful of malicious software and download at their own risk. It does not seem that SE's Support staff is on the same page, and I hope this brings attention to the lack of consistency by the support staff.

[indira]

yoshi-p is not the one who decides whats legal.

if SE didnt make, its 3rd party & its illegal.

[Aicasia]

Anyone who is abusive to other players over a DPS score obtained by a 3rd party program deserves a temporary ban -- not for using the 3rd party program exactly, but rather using for malicious intent.

Not saying that the player in question was being abusive.. I have no evidence of that... but we all know the type...

Ont he other hand...



^^ This is a tactic often used by elitist individuals who are convinced they alone represent the attitude of the group. ^^

In a random DF/PUG, you'll find often good people who are willing to be patient and teach people the fight, just as you'll find sometimes get elitists asshats who think their opinion is the only one that matters.

That really doesn't change what I said. Just because some people are jerks it doesn't mean everyone is. I'm not saying this is you, but anyone who assumes that someone is a jerk by default is kind of a jerk. The interest of the group still comes before the individual. If an individual is acting selfishly in the name of the group, and no one agrees with him, then yeah, he is being a dick and you/everyone else have a valid reason to call him on it and/or report him. I think it's a little petty, as bad attitudes tend to isolate themselves, but that isn't for me to decide.

However you can't just assume that because something can be done for the wrong reasons that it is always/frequently done for the wrong reasons. That would make you as bad as the people you hate so much. I mean, if someone is willing to let a handful of bad apples spoil the bunch I don't suppose there is much I can do to change their mind, but it's a poor way to go about life.

[Zantetsuken]

But I don't hate anyone...

I just want more people to enjoy the game (isn't that why we are playing it?) .. Sadly, too many people treat the game like a joyless chore, and through their own abusive behavior, spread that attitude around in DF and PF groups.

I will call out bad/toxic behavior and trends whenever I see them.

I also applaud positive and friendly players when I encounter them (use the 'commendation' feature people!).


I'm working to make this game better, and I hope all players of 'good will' will do the same.

[Allyra]

I think this is ridiculous but:

Which seems a bit ridiculous since multiple community reps said that FFXIV APP did not violate the TOS, but users should be careful of malicious software and download at their own risk.

People need to stop spreading rumors to fuel the fire. I don't think any comm rep has ever said FFXIVAPP doesn't violate the TOS. I am fairly sure they've never mentioned it at all.

They HAVE said things like VPNs don't, but that is not what ffxivapp is.

Again, not saying this isn't all kinds of silly, but let's stick to the truth.

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

The thing is, the GM's would have to be given a list of legal vs illegal in the game, 3rd party apps or there is still the possibility of generalizing all 3rd party apps as TOS violations.

It is not impossible to imagine that maybe the GM did not get an opportunity to read the forum post where the dev ok'd the app. Perhaps there is no central list of ok vs not ok apps for the GM's to reference. If there is not a central list or way to identify the trademark of which app the player is using, I would guess that it is cumbersome to determine which ones are ok and which are not and the TOS does not say that there are any 3rd party apps cleared for use.

Maybe the only way to work this out and prevent ok app from being confused with not ok app is to ban all apps outright. If they are supposed to follow the TOS, GM was just doing his job.

[Tagihi]

i use parser to increase my self as dps why would you be baned for use something that dosent do anything then reading dmg log?
If this app is ban then plz GM make ur statement and tell yes or no.

[Aicasia]

But I don't hate anyone...

I just want more people to enjoy the game (isn't that why we are playing it?) .. Sadly, too many people treat the game like a joyless chore, and through their own abusive behavior, spread that attitude around in DF and PF groups.

I will call out bad/toxic behavior and trends whenever I see them.

I also applaud positive and friendly players when I encounter them (use the 'commendation' feature people!).


I'm working to make this game better, and I hope all players of good will will do the same.

I never meant to make the post about you, I just forgot to edit that part. I get what you're saying, I just want people in general to understand that just because someone did something that made you upset, it doesn't mean they actually did something wrong.

[SirGazuntai]

I think people are confused when they claim they've seen someone from SE announce that the parser is not a violation of the ToS.

What I'm 90% sure you saw, which I saw too, was the creator of the app state that he got in contact with people from SE and they told him it was fine. He also told the people from SE that they were free to tell him to remove something if it does break any rules.

No matter how hard you try and find something from SE about the parser, it isn't there. This is what you'll find.

Now, this is the internet. It's possible the creator of the app lied so people would be okay with using it. It's also possible he didn't lie and that the GM was just an idiot. GM's are not usually kept in the same loops as other employee's. They're essentially players who get paid to sit in their office and take the abuse from players. There are even MMO's out there who's GM's work from home.

At the end of the day, the Monk probably complained that the person running the parser was being a bit harsh (as a lot of high-level players tend to be) and the GM probably didn't know anything about the app. so got suspicious.

If you're going to use it, use it. Just don't use it to mock other players. If you really feel like mocking someone's DPS, use the enmity bar on the party list instead. Use the parser for personal use.