"Advice needed" PLD vs WAR going forword of 2.1

[Fraxx]

Hey all,

I'm in a bit of a dilema here, but I'll explain my starting situation first to give you a short overview.

I have been a tank in every mmo I touched since 12 years. This is what I do, I'm good at( hope so) and enjoy.

Came early access I started roling a warrior, finished leveling it and started gearing for entcontent. Soon I had to realize that Warr was not up to PLD in terms of MT. (I know people tanked fine with it before 2.1, but lets be honest your healers didnt like it)
So the group I was running with suggested to level a PLD for COIL.
I then brought a paladin to 50, got him relic+1 and ilvl 75 to start raiding coil. My group disbanded because they where bored and I took a good christmas break.

I now have:

PLD ilvl 75 relic +1
WAR ilvl 73 relic

To this point both tanks have the same gear, because DL and CT is for both jobs.

I now have a static coil grp again since yesterday and I asked them what tank they would prefer, all of the replied play what you like (second tank is a PLD aswell but slightly less geared then mine)
I went with my PLD for the first run last night just to be on the safe side.

Now my actual concern:

What would you guys take going forword? I have only time playing one tank serious and don't want to be a burdon on my group.
I enjoy both, with the warrior being a bit more challenging with less tedious skill rota.
But I do feel that even with SP and IB up I still take more damage then my PLD even though I should have better mitigation then shield oath when both are running.

I don`t want this thread to become a "my carrot is better then your" thread but would love to hear you opinions on what tank to go further with.

Again I enjoy both, because I love tanking, I just want the best possible for my grp and therefore don`t mind playing any of them, but would slightly prefer WAR

Best Regards
Fraxx

[Kyros]

Easy, ask 2 questions:

Does your group have a BRD? Can the BRD and PLD do the silence duty of ADS on their own? I change to PLD for ADS so we do the silence rotation for example
Does your group plan on doing TwinTania on the future? If your other tank is a PLD, you really want a WAR. Both because they complement so well, and because the LB penalty can screw up a run if Meteor isn't ready for snakes (Building LB at start everytime is booooooring). I for example leveled and geared my WAR exclusively to help my group with TT.

If you said yes to both questions, go WAR, if not, its safe to go PLD.

[Fraxx]

Easy, ask 2 questions:

Does your group have a BRD? Can the BRD and PLD do the silence duty of ADS on their own? I change to PLD for ADS so we do the silence rotation for example
Does your group plan on doing TwinTania on the future? If your other tank is a PLD, you really want a WAR. Both because they complement so well, and because the LB penalty can screw up a run if Meteor isn't ready for snakes (Building LB at start everytime is booooooring). I for example leveled and geared my WAR exclusively to help my group with TT.

If you said yes to both questions, go WAR, if not, its safe to go PLD.

We actually have 2 Bards, blm and Monk/DRG. So silence should not be an issue.
Also can you explain what you mean with LB penalty ?

If I go warr should I focus on getting +1 first or use myth to upgrade something different ? I have ilvl80 hands already in use and got helm aswell so for pld I wanted to by vest first because he has already relics on +1

[JonBigwood]

We actually have 2 Bards, blm and Monk/DRG. So silence should not be an issue.
Also can you explain what you mean with LB penalty ?

Somebody mentioned it already, but not as an answer to this question. If in a party there are two members of the same job, the limit break builds more slowly. If you have 2 Bards in your group this is already happening even if you don't have 2 PLD.

[Espon]

I would just go with whatever you enjoy playing more. Warriors are much better than they were before the patch, and from a healer standpoint I have no issues keeping either of them alive. Most of the time I don't even notice difference between who I'm healing.

[Kadas]

Having both allows you to be flexible. What I am doing (as I have both myself) is spending myth on most important upgrades on what I chose to go first among the two, and gear up the other with i80 gear to keep moving it forward aswell.
So choose the one you like the most and gear that up with myth, allagan and i80/70 are for both anyway.

As you gear up for coil, whatever you upgrade, make sure you keep up your accuracy, a bad miss could screw you over.

As for War +1, I hate it and have not upgraded to it myself. I would say other upgrades are more important, as threat is never a concern on WAR and the rest of the stats are way overpriced when you don't account the increased damage/threat help.

[Fraxx]

Having both allows you to be flexible. What I am doing (as I have both myself) is spending myth on most important upgrades on what I chose to go first among the two, and gear up the other with i80 gear to keep moving it forward aswell.
So choose the one you like the most and gear that up with myth, allagan and i80/70 are for both anyway.

As you gear up for coil, whatever you upgrade, make sure you keep up your accuracy, a bad miss could screw you over.

As for War +1, I hate it and have not upgraded to it myself. I would say other upgrades are more important, as threat is never a concern on WAR and the rest of the stats are way overpriced when you don't account the increased damage/threat help.

Thanks really good advice, specially with the +1

[Zleepyy]

Well, there are a few options you should take into consideration. First of all, if the PLD in your pt is a static then I would indeed say that if you do not mind and enjoy either job you should go for the warrior.
Pros: Building limitbreak faste due to diversity in jobs within your pt , Warriors are amazing tanks in general due to storm's path/eye, basically the 10% decrease in dmg is priceless and one of the key utilities given to a warrior to actually give it that last push. Warrior's damage is way superior over a pld, your damage might not be gamebreaking but it is definetly noticeable if you know how to play properly.
Cons: None really, apart from being more complex than a pld which I personally don't see as a bad thing becuase it gives your tanking a bit of a challenge in comparison to PLD that just has a fixed rotation and some cooldowns for mitigation warrior's actually requires both timing and more in depth knowledge to master fully.

[Zleepyy]

On a side note, ADS is definetly doable with only 1 bard since your other tank is usually a PLD should be able to silence it so don't let a single mechanic decide the outcome of your job. And the Bravura +1 is actually BiS for tanks assuming you can get hitcapped with it, though unlike the others it holds the max parry. Assuming parry is linear or at least gives more chane of mitigation by each 10 points or so, since you do not really need the damage as a tank like Kadas just mentioned the Bravura is your best in slot weapon so you have actually made a good call. Anyways, that was my 2 cents hehe, goodluck.

[Abigs]

Paladin will always be a better tank than warriors will ever be (mitigation wise).. its designed that way

they have better utility in form of having both silence and stuns
and you can SS yourself or MT during transition phases

and theres nothing that will compared to hallowed ground in terms of overall usage.. holmgang is good only in paper (since you still incur damage and cannot move/forced to eat redzones)

what warriors have over pallies is better threat generation both single and aoe.. but threat isnt really an issue nowadays.. warriors deal a little more dps too