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    I can agree to one thing, since it is the pure truth (imo): ilvl for DF (Titan HM at least) is too low.
    DF is less than ideal (understatement) and people screw up easily, and even if you dodge fatal stuff (landslide is game over for that player), they'll screw up on other mechanics and take excessive damage

    Higher ilvl requirement for Titan HM would ensure that at least a small part of the lack of cohesion and lack skill (less than optimal dps, less than optimal healing, etc) will be offset by gear.

    As it stands now, if all players are at the absolute minimum ILVL for Titan HM, the fight is impossible for most if not all full random DF groups.

    That being said, extreme modes should have way higher ilvl too, for the same precise reason.

    I disagree with making the fight easier (by dumb-ing down mechanics) thou, even thou that's what other games did, making random group fights feel brain dead.

    You may disagree with me, but that's my honest opinion on the matter of Titan HM and upper, when it comes to DF at least.
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    Last edited by GabrielK; 01-20-2014 at 10:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GabrielK View Post
    I can agree to one thing, since it is the pure truth (imo): ilvl for DF (Titan HM at least) is too low.
    I agree that maybe the ilvl is too low for one reason: It's sooo easy to gear in this game.
    I've seen people with many i90 myth pieces that still don't have a relic and maybe even quest reward gear mixed in, like level39 rings or something.

    I've also seen people in dungeons at lower levels with "missing" gear entirely. I did AV with a tank that didn't have a single thing on the right side... no accessories at all!
    People just don't care about gear... you can go through 1-50 in your race clothes and still win(nearly).
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    I've thought long and hard about this and I just cannot figure out what exactly it is about Titan that throws so many people off. Some people say it's the irrecoverability of getting hit; Demon Wall does the same and no one complains about it. Some say it's the short times given to get out of WotL; FFXIV is hardly the first game to require you to know something bad is coming ahead of time. If you die, then you know it's coming and take steps to avoid it the second time around. Some say it's lag; I've seen freak cases and videos where there does seem to be a desync in the fight, but I haven't seen or heard of many of them since they reduced the update times. If you consistently lag badly and can still make it through other content, I think that means previous content was too easy. Plus, there are people with 250~300 ping who can still make it.

    I just don't get it.

    In any case, I believe making relics mandatory by tuning content around them was a flaw. Maybe it's old school thinking now, but relics should've been rewarding to get with multiple options to choose from beneath them, rather than the other way around where relic is needed to then get a multitude of weapon choices.
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    Last edited by Lyrinn; 01-20-2014 at 10:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrinn View Post
    I've thought long and hard about this and I just cannot figure out what exactly it is about Titan that throws so many people off. Some people say it's the irrecoverability of getting hit; Demon Wall does the same and no one complains about it.
    In which world did people NOT complain about this? I read complains about this until 2.05 was released and the content was no longer mandatory to get myth and you could do WP instand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrinn View Post
    I've thought long and hard about this and I just cannot figure out what exactly it is about Titan that throws so many people off.
    Landslide and Upheaval
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    Quote Originally Posted by diulalasing View Post
    Landslide and Upheaval
    actually I always thought those were pretty straightforward, and just reaction time like other mechanics in the game. I think the bombs is what makes Titan hard, memorizing the patterns of different bombs, and safe spots, etcc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squa View Post
    actually I always thought those were pretty straightforward, and just reaction time like other mechanics in the game. I think the bombs is what makes Titan hard, memorizing the patterns of different bombs, and safe spots, etcc..
    i think you miss the joke

    But yea, in titan EX, sometimes after heart phase, if i loose a sec of focus, i somehow will think tic-tac-toe is actually star bombs
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    Quote Originally Posted by diulalasing View Post
    Landslide and Upheaval
    Well played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OogaShaka View Post
    I could give a rat's butt what the hardcore gamers {btw only 5% of your player base}
    Where do these percentages come from and why do you mention them if you don't care? Color me confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by OogaShaka View Post
    ...go ahead and laugh if you want...
    lol
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    Move early if you have lag. Or ask to stand in the back away from others so that eating 1 plume won't kill you.
    Before 2.1, I have to MOVE BEFORE seeing plumes in order to dodge them (1 silent count after the end of stomps and end of mountain buster).
    After 2.1, I have no problems dodging.
    - And I am connecting from Asia.

    Alternatively, play a caster where you can use SPRINT. If you use sprint at the start of stomps after the heart phase, sprint will always be up just in time for the next plumes.

    Before you say anything, I cleared Titan HM 7x in 2.0 with a bad connection. Some with help from FC/LS, some with random PUGs from Revenent's. When I start any run, I always tell the party I will preemptively run diagonally towards the back so don't run into my plumes.
    It is not impossible. You just need to learn how to ADAPT to the timing of your connection.
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