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    Player LongNu's Avatar
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    Morale's Actual Worth?

    Has anyone been able to determine the point for point value of Morale? We're assuming to automatically put on every piece of gear but some math behind why we're doing what we're doing would go a long way to really determine BiS for PvP.

    Anyone did any math on this yet?
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    I would be interested in doing some research on this, but it's gonna be hard to work the math out on this because things are incredibly relative.

    You do more damage based on your morale, and your opponent takes less based on there morale. Without a good way of knowing your opponents morale parsers are kind of worthless.

    You can't just look people up on the lodestone either, because they might not be wearing the same amount.

    I think, if we could get this organized. Two, 4 man groups, queuing against each other. We could get some decent numbers as we prolong the fight and run parsers. Just get 8 people in a VOIP together.

    More than anything it would be a matter of controlling the numbers.

    EDIT: Not to mention the normal built in defense numbers. If the formula is as crazy as the other ones in this game, you could so multiplicative or additive effects.
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    Last edited by AlphonseLlorico; 01-21-2014 at 02:01 AM.

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    Player LongNu's Avatar
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    I'd be willing to test this. Something like this is crucial to the community.
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    wtb pvp testing dummies badly :3
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    I'm assuming it is pretty similar to the percentages from expertise in SWTOR. Probably about .15% damage done to players per point of morale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongNu View Post
    iLvl 70 PvP Gear is greater than iLvl90 PvE gear, with the exception of the iLvl 95 Allagan Spear and or iLvl90 PvE Relic vs the 70 PvP weapon. If you are using iLvl80~ PvE gear, I would recommend getting the iLvl 70 PvP gear as the Morale should prove more useful.
    You literally said that on the 22nd of December, now you're asking if morale is worth it?
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    I would really like to know this, as well. I didn't get a huge start on PvP initially and now I am trying to do the grind. Do I go in my full i90 PvE gear, or go with the initial crafted (HQ) gear (using relic+1)? I've tested out both, and it honestly seems like I do more damage with the i90 PvE gear, but also die a lot easier. Some sort of official statement or testing on this would be nice. I've really wondered about it... and if someone in i90 does 'more' damage while also taking more, what's to stop a melee or tank (someone who's not the initial target of a fight) from just wearing i90 PvE? The reason I've leaned more toward the crafted PvP gear is because as a summoner I am focused pretty hard at the start, so the survival really helps. Of course, my i90 PvE gear is probably much less effective against someone ELSE who is actually using PvP gear... although a lot of people I bump into are in the same boat and seem to be wearing PvE and neglecting PvP gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foullacy View Post
    You literally said that on the 22nd of December, now you're asking if morale is worth it?
    He's not really asking if Morale is worth it.
    We know Morale is worth it in general.

    He's asking if we know the weight of it.
    ie 1 Dex = 7 crit = x Morale (I made these up but I'm pretty sure ~7 or 8 is close to the average weights)

    That only really works for offense, but it'd help someone make a choice between a piece of junky SkillSpeed/Morale, vs a piece of PvE Crit/Det if they wanted damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foullacy View Post
    You literally said that on the 22nd of December, now you're asking if morale is worth it?
    Reading comprehension is difficult.
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    Under no circumstances is pve gear of equal level better then pvp gear
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