Too many poor DPS

[Rizzo_]

After trying to kill Titan hard mode for two days, I have come to the conclusion that alot of DPS that play this game just aren't good enough. There will always be one or even two DPS in my party that just can't seem to be good enough or come undergeared. I was told that Titan was a skill check since I found most bosses before it to be easy and I now know that it is a skill check.

Just something I've noticed, not a rant or anything xP

[Delorean]

Welcome to MMOs? Dungeon Finder features are for low end content and people who don't have the time to dedicate to a group focused on goals. Naturally, that attracts the kind of player you're not really looking for to complete content that is somewhat difficult.

Maybe you should try using the party finder instead. The Navel (Hard) groups on my server usually get it within a few tries.

[SirGazuntai]

Your experience is clouded by the fact that you'll ALWAYS see more DPS than you will tanks or healers. In my experience, there are more bad healers than their are bad DPS, simply because healing is a bit harder than DPS. A slightly bad healer completely ruins runs (Coil, for example). Not to mention a tanks job is the easiest thing on the planet unless you're in coil/EM primals. It's hard to be a bad tank.

I think Titan HM's DPS check is a little insane, though. Even with a 1 tank 5 DPS setup, I find a lot of groups can't do it without a relic or 2 in the party. Whether this be that those guys don't know how to fully play their class yet, I don't know, it's still a little insane.

[Rizzo_]

I think Titan HM's DPS check is a little insane, though. Even with a 1 tank 5 DPS setup, I find a lot of groups can't do it without a relic or 2 in the party. Whether this be that those guys don't know how to fully play their class yet, I don't know, it's still a little insane.

Yeah I do feel the criticism DPS get at times to be over the top. People will be expecting other members to have item level 75 gear when the boss is iLvl 56 -_-

[Viridiana]

I think Titan HM's DPS check is a little insane, though. Even with a 1 tank 5 DPS setup, I find a lot of groups can't do it without a relic or 2 in the party. Whether this be that those guys don't know how to fully play their class yet, I don't know, it's still a little insane.

It's doable with 1 tank 3 heals even with 0 relics in the party, as long as everyone's fairly competent at their jobs. So, yes, I'd say it's either a "you need to go get some ilvl 60 gear" issue or a "dude, go learn a real dps rotation" issue.

[Nahara]

It's doable with 1 tank 3 heals even with 0 relics in the party, as long as everyone's fairly competent at their jobs.

That's how I got my first relic, so I can attest that such a strategy is doable. Titan Hard Mode is a DPS/Healer/Boss Mechanic/Dodging/Patience check. About the only thing that doesn't need to be well-prepared for this fight is the tank, who just kind of sits there and holds threat while occasionally popping a defensive cooldown, but even then the tank has to be wary of Mountain Buster and have gear enough that he doesn't get face-checked and dropped by Titan's massive... fist.

[Sunah]

That's how I got my first relic, so I can attest that such a strategy is doable. Titan Hard Mode is a DPS/Healer/Boss Mechanic/Dodging/Patience check. About the only thing that doesn't need to be well-prepared for this fight is the tank, who just kind of sits there and holds threat while occasionally popping a defensive cooldown, but even then the tank has to be wary of Mountain Buster and have gear enough that he doesn't get face-checked and dropped by Titan's massive... fist.

Kind of agree with the tank not having to be well-prepared but more in the sense of... his mind haha. Mountain busters do a lot of damage and if not geared enough its possible to be one shotted. I only put my DL chest/helm thing on for this (since still working on ct one that never drops) just to give me the extra hp and parry haha.

[jars]

there's no way to evaluate your skill as a dps. people bemoan damage meters all the time, but they are an excellent tool to improve how you play.

[Lunavi]

There are alot of bad tanks aswell. Same with bad healers. Bad tanks you seldom realize they are bad because they blame the DPS for "doing too much aggro" also they have the easiest job ever on Titan HM which is the fight most people see as "THE skillcheck".

Healers I have seen so many bad of at Titan HM aswell. Conclusion; Alot of the people stuck at Titan HM are bad. Good players passed him.

[Sylve]

It's hard to be a bad tank.

Then some people excel at being bad. Should i introduce you to the Paladin i had in Copperbell Hard the other night who tanked the entire run with *just* RoH -> Flash -> RoH -> Flash, not even comboing the Fast/Savage?

Titans DPS check is fine, Having Garuda's weapon or Ifrits is fine for this. Problem is, its easy to be carried in an Ifrit and Garuda DF, not so much in Titan. Which is why the 'roadblock' exists as it were. a full party as intended by the DF (2/2/4) is easily doable, but the DPS must be fully aware of not only their own rotations, but their surroundings. Losing one to an early Weight can be fatal without the extra cushioning provided by a fifth DPS.