Too many poor DPS

[Rizzo_]

After trying to kill Titan hard mode for two days, I have come to the conclusion that alot of DPS that play this game just aren't good enough. There will always be one or even two DPS in my party that just can't seem to be good enough or come undergeared. I was told that Titan was a skill check since I found most bosses before it to be easy and I now know that it is a skill check.

Just something I've noticed, not a rant or anything xP

[Delorean]

Welcome to MMOs? Dungeon Finder features are for low end content and people who don't have the time to dedicate to a group focused on goals. Naturally, that attracts the kind of player you're not really looking for to complete content that is somewhat difficult.

Maybe you should try using the party finder instead. The Navel (Hard) groups on my server usually get it within a few tries.

[SirGazuntai]

Your experience is clouded by the fact that you'll ALWAYS see more DPS than you will tanks or healers. In my experience, there are more bad healers than their are bad DPS, simply because healing is a bit harder than DPS. A slightly bad healer completely ruins runs (Coil, for example). Not to mention a tanks job is the easiest thing on the planet unless you're in coil/EM primals. It's hard to be a bad tank.

I think Titan HM's DPS check is a little insane, though. Even with a 1 tank 5 DPS setup, I find a lot of groups can't do it without a relic or 2 in the party. Whether this be that those guys don't know how to fully play their class yet, I don't know, it's still a little insane.

[Rizzo_]

I think Titan HM's DPS check is a little insane, though. Even with a 1 tank 5 DPS setup, I find a lot of groups can't do it without a relic or 2 in the party. Whether this be that those guys don't know how to fully play their class yet, I don't know, it's still a little insane.

Yeah I do feel the criticism DPS get at times to be over the top. People will be expecting other members to have item level 75 gear when the boss is iLvl 56 -_-

[Viridiana]

I think Titan HM's DPS check is a little insane, though. Even with a 1 tank 5 DPS setup, I find a lot of groups can't do it without a relic or 2 in the party. Whether this be that those guys don't know how to fully play their class yet, I don't know, it's still a little insane.

It's doable with 1 tank 3 heals even with 0 relics in the party, as long as everyone's fairly competent at their jobs. So, yes, I'd say it's either a "you need to go get some ilvl 60 gear" issue or a "dude, go learn a real dps rotation" issue.

[Milmoko_Gemoko]

Bad DSP combined with back-seat tanking (tellin me what to use in chat, and dictating targets) is my usual gripe.
I had a DSP in Cutters Cry keep marking the adds as 1&2 and telling me to target them - uhuh, needless to say I ignored.
And then DPSs seeing me run as PLD and telling me use WAR skills (and vis versa).
Or the DPS that runs off and grabs groups (usually trying to grab a treasure chest) causing way to much argo for the group, then gets upset they wiped.

Seriously if you wanna play tank and dicate dungeons be a tank class otherwise shut up and follow the leader please

Ended up kicking a guy because I couldnt deal with his ordering the group around and critising everyone last night - oh for record Cutters Cry went a lot quicker after we voted him out, and we didnt wipe after that either

[Vilzen]

It's hard to be a bad tank.

No. No it's not. I've seem plenty of bad tanks. My main is a tank though so I might be a harsh judge.

[Nahara]

It's doable with 1 tank 3 heals even with 0 relics in the party, as long as everyone's fairly competent at their jobs.

That's how I got my first relic, so I can attest that such a strategy is doable. Titan Hard Mode is a DPS/Healer/Boss Mechanic/Dodging/Patience check. About the only thing that doesn't need to be well-prepared for this fight is the tank, who just kind of sits there and holds threat while occasionally popping a defensive cooldown, but even then the tank has to be wary of Mountain Buster and have gear enough that he doesn't get face-checked and dropped by Titan's massive... fist.

[Neralyte]

I agree that Titan is seen as somewhat of a check when you're gunning for a relic. It can be slightly unfair to go from never having to worry about DPS checks (because there are practically none until this point) to being slapped in the face with one and immediately follow it up with a rotation that is designed to catch out DPS that are still focusing efforts on their rotations. But it's the players that have nurtured bad habits with FATE grinding etc and turning around and setting disproportionate ilvl requirements that has bred inability to cope with late game content.

[Sunah]

That's how I got my first relic, so I can attest that such a strategy is doable. Titan Hard Mode is a DPS/Healer/Boss Mechanic/Dodging/Patience check. About the only thing that doesn't need to be well-prepared for this fight is the tank, who just kind of sits there and holds threat while occasionally popping a defensive cooldown, but even then the tank has to be wary of Mountain Buster and have gear enough that he doesn't get face-checked and dropped by Titan's massive... fist.

Kind of agree with the tank not having to be well-prepared but more in the sense of... his mind haha. Mountain busters do a lot of damage and if not geared enough its possible to be one shotted. I only put my DL chest/helm thing on for this (since still working on ct one that never drops) just to give me the extra hp and parry haha.