The Pigeonhole

[Renik]

every battle in this game has only 1 way to win, every movement must be executed perfectly, giving some personalization to jobs or importance to classes will require real battle desing and balance.

Imagine a WHM using manawall to avoid getting hit by ladslide, or a dragoon using provoke to keep spiny plumes on grauda ex to aleviate tanking stress, SE want us to die ultil we find the victory road they desingned for us, we wont see personalization until they change their mind about this trial and error system.

@Nahara

Clases are useless no matter how you combine them, the stat boost and skills jobs gets makes them more useful than any combination you could make, SE dont want us to use classes.

[ScummyGuy]

every battle in this game has only 1 way to win

Lies, Turn 2 has 2 ways to win, Rot or Enrage method.

[Cherie]

Lies, Turn 2 has 2 ways to win, Rot or Enrage method.

They really should do something about that "enrage method." Enrage is supposed to be the end of a fight, not like heal spam -- tank and spank mode.
Someone coded that badly and now SE doesn't want to change it cause people like it like that apparently.

Party finder is full of people just wanting to do turn 2 enrage method... I mean like, how did they all get past turn 1 and not have cleared turn 2, not only that, but they also now want to do that way... :/

I wouldn't care but, Coil is such a short raid already as it is.

[Sylve]

I have Paladin and Warrior both 50 in Relic, and never have i felt the need to stop tanking and spam Cure on myself. Its nice as a pick me up between phases, But i have healers to heal me, why do i need to do it myself?

[Deifact]

I think people are missing the point here getting caught up on the cure pld example.

Let me give another example. In v1.0 the abilities you could cross class were so much more varied it's ridiculous. You want to play as a DRK? They don't need to add the job, just play as a MRD and cross class THM spells and LNC abilities. You could actually use Fire, Aero etc. As a melee class.

That's how the armoury system was advertised. You levelled up classes to unlock abilities you can then use on other classes.

Now it's just pointless. We have effectively zero class customisation. Not even a trait tree or anything which is usually the bare minimum in an MMORPG. And it's a shame.

[Sylve]

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Lmao, YES! lets cast spells as a marauder at 50 with my 78 INT! It'll hit for ... 20 damage if I'm lucky?

[Renik]

Lmao, YES! lets cast spells as a marauder at 50 with my 78 INT! It'll hit for ... 20 damage if I'm lucky?

he's talking about 1.0, back then you were able to use traits from other clasess and all the gear was crossclass, with elemental and damage weakness and resistances a gladiator could use some magic to exploit a weakness even to build TP/stamina, ofcourse it would be useless now, but its because the whole structure of the game is bad.

Also he broght an insteresting point, how will SE make an hybrid job like darknight? with the game like it is now, it would be overpowered or just useless, or maybe another bard, that is bard just by name... if they dont balance things to bring some personalization hybrid jobs like darknigh wont happen or they will just be another joke job like bard, because who will play brd once we get ranger?

[Sylve]

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Dark Knight is easy, Traits to give a STR -> INT conversion + bonus magic damage percentiles. Hell, a Cleric Stance like buff would work also. Though its yet another reason to make the DK its own base class to become a job from.

Ranger is also easy, Bards are useful enough just for their songs and mobility. Rangers I'd hope to have more cast time shots to truly differentiate them.

Personally i just want Riot Blade to combo Flash for a "Flashburn" effect so Flash can deal some damage when used in a combo.

[Jonjon]

I think people are missing the point here getting caught up on the cure pld example.

Let me give another example. In v1.0 the abilities you could cross class were so much more varied it's ridiculous. You want to play as a DRK? They don't need to add the job, just play as a MRD and cross class THM spells and LNC abilities. You could actually use Fire, Aero etc. As a melee class.

That's how the armoury system was advertised. You levelled up classes to unlock abilities you can then use on other classes.

Now it's just pointless. We have effectively zero class customisation. Not even a trait tree or anything which is usually the bare minimum in an MMORPG. And it's a shame.

This exactly.
I remember in 1.0 tanking on my THM, this was back before they destroyed the class to add BLM. Threw on some plate, 1h shield, provoke, rampart, threaten(I think it was called this), etc. It worked pretty well. Now, the armory system is butchered butchered and THM is a travesty compared to what it was, but that is another topic. Anyone interested go look up the original 1.0 THM skills.

[Radxen]

Maybe some skills are useless, but the level 22 lancer skill (I forgot the name) that lets you restore 400 TP is awesome for any class that uses TP, that alone was worth the cross class abilities for me.