AOE Toggle Needs to GO

[Tiraelina]

You say potato, I say potato.... I guess it makes more sense when said out loud.

Any who, your post makes no sense. How does deciding whether to choose Fire(AoE) vs deciding whether to activate/deactivate AoE makes or breaks a game strategically?

The answer, it doesn't. A smart mage class player will look at each situation before deciding whether to choose to toggle AoE on/off or whether to choose Spell vs Spell(AoE). Either way a smart mage will be doing the exact same concept. Dumb mage classes will spam AoE no matter what. So lets take this whole talk of strategy out of the window.

As far as not equipping certain elements, this is the scenario I see arising

Mage 2: "Give me a few minutes"
Party Member 1: "Why"
Mage 1: "Next Group of mobs are weak against fire. last group was water so have to switch out my skills since my AoE skills is taking up my action point that my fire skills could've have been at"
Party Member 2: "ummm, ok, but didnt you just unequip your fire to put in your lightening"
Mage 1: "Exactly"

What part of AoE has no penalty over single target is there to not understand? You are completely ignoring what it's doing negatively to support spells. Knowing when to use an AoE and when to not because its inefficient or undesirable is strategy that is missing entirely. It still stands that any content they want to try and release is going to be trivialized because of this alone. The only alternative is every mob being balanced around spamming AoE's as much as players can AoE heal.

[Razzle]

What part of AoE has no penalty over single target is there to not understand? You are completely ignoring what it's doing negatively to support spells. Knowing when to use an AoE and when to not because its inefficient or undesirable is strategy that is missing entirely. It still stands that any content they want to try and release is going to be trivialized because of this alone. The only alternative is every mob being balanced around spamming AoE's as much as players can AoE heal.

For all the people with "AOE has no panelty" claim. Go on a leve with a party to kill 3 mobs, Cast offensive spell as AoE, and Offensive spell as single. See which person will be targeted, you or the tanker.

Yes, AOE's panelty is HATE- You gather more HATE from mobs if you use AoE.

Also, If SE decided that you get SP for ONE mob at a time, it means they do not want you to hit and SURELY not KILL more than ONE mob at a time.

So allowing you to BE ABLE to do it, is just wrong. It's bad.
Either increase Claimed mobs. Or restrict players to be able to hit claimed mobs only. SE built the claim system to prevent players from mobbing a whole area. Not so you can be "efficient" or not.

[Tiraelina]

Yeah, about that AoE healing.

Nuking 3 mobs that will kill you is being bad. Think about this for a moment in a group situation, what happens after the tank has them? Free to do what you want or the AoE healing is going to carry both you and the tank along effortlessly.

[Razzle]

Yeah, about that AoE healing.

Nuking 3 mobs that will kill you is being bad. Think about this for a moment in a group situation, what happens after the tank has them? Free to do what you want or the AoE healing is going to carry both you and the tank along effortlessly.

Huh? my post meant for group situation (Sorry, I'll add that).

I don't know what kind of mobs you fight, but in parties I participate: If the tank does not manage hate while a Mage is spamming offensive AoE spells, the mobs will change target back to the mage and will keep doing so unless the mage decides to stop casting AoE, or just stop casting.

Also, AoE cures also gather more hate than single cures. It just used to be more noticable, But it's been nerfed cause people whined... zzzz

[Elexia]

+1 stuff is buggy? i can macro it in just fine

There used to be a problem with certain +1 items not macroing correctly, they fixed it a little while ago.

[Vanguard319]

What part of AoE has no penalty over single target is there to not understand? You are completely ignoring what it's doing negatively to support spells. Knowing when to use an AoE and when to not because its inefficient or undesirable is strategy that is missing entirely. It still stands that any content they want to try and release is going to be trivialized because of this alone. The only alternative is every mob being balanced around spamming AoE's as much as players can AoE heal.

you want a penalty? here is the penalty: Use it at the wrong time, and you hit more enemies than you intended, resulting in every hit mob gang raping you into oblivion. That's not good enough???

[Tiraelina]

I think we had like 1 instance of someone actually dying while doing all of the faction NM leves. That was someone that wasn't the tank face pulling 6 drakes which were still killed shortly afterwards. Anyways they've already stated they want to make threat management easier to see.

[TheVedis]

you want a penalty? here is the penalty: Use it at the wrong time, and you hit more enemies than you intended, resulting in every hit mob gang raping you into oblivion. That's not good enough???

yes, because aoe is perfect when you got a bunch of mobs that arent your target in the area

[RabidSquirrel]

Okay, how about this: Let's say you're going to use your fire spell. You can press the key, click the icon, or press the button on your controller once for a single target hit. If you press that key, click that icon, or press that button a second time during the casting phase, it turns it into an AoE attack.

So a simple double click if you want AoE, single click if you want single target. And if you triple click, it reverts back to single target.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

I love the AOE Toggle, is one of my favorite features in the game.

@Razzle what you said about the AoE shouldn't be able to hit non red target mobs is dumb. That is the point of AoE's, you have to be careful where you use them so you don't hit other mobs. You saying otherwise is like asking SE to hold your hand while you play a mage class.