AOE Toggle Needs to GO

[Shika]

I use a controller, but have had instances where my battery ran out of charge rather inconveniently half way into a fight. On those occasions I've just used the keyboard tabbing (or Mouse) to select my target, CTRL or ALT for my macro rows, select macro, hit enter. It is no different than select target with controller, hold down left or right trigger (CTRL or ALT) to bring up macros, select macro, hit enter. ? The UI is clunky yes, but using macros with either keyboard/mouse or controller is not really any different in my opinion.

[darkstarpoet1]

I use a controller, but have had instances where my battery ran out of charge rather inconveniently half way into a fight. On those occasions I've just used the keyboard tabbing (or Mouse) to select my target, CTRL or ALT for my macro rows, select macro, hit enter. It is no different than select target with controller, hold down left or right trigger (CTRL or ALT) to bring up macros, select macro, hit enter. ? The UI is clunky yes, but using macros with either keyboard/mouse or controller is not really any different in my opinion.

no i was just using the controller for the ease of changing from aoe on to aoe off for those with that specific complaint. my emote button is my r1 so it is very easy and convenient to hit that one button. to me it just seems to be easier than z or clicking the button. that is just a personal preference though and not saying either of the methods is hard.

i just have to remember with my controller hit the spell then hit emote button not hit emote without a spell chosen first lol. i just love changing aoe toggle and starting a br, but that is my user error not the game itself.

Fair enough, an AOE icon would be good too. Though I think the submenu idea would be helpful for gamepad users. There really should be two separate UIs.

not disagreeing with you too much but as i use one it is only a single button on the controller to change from aoe on to off on there as well. you do not have to reach up to grab the mouse and click it. you select your spell and then hit the button during subtargeting(my controller is r1) and then confirm the spell once it is targeted. if you use a gamepad and didn't know whatever button you use to call your emotes has multiple uses.

if not in battle it calls emotes. if in battle and you are joining a battle regimen you hover over the spell/ability and hit it and it stacks into battle regimen. if you select a spell and are in submenu screen it also changes your aoe from off to on status. if you did know this i apologize, but i have seen alot recently that didn't know and was just tryin to be helpful.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

no i was just using the controller for the ease of changing from aoe on to aoe off for those with that specific complaint. my emote button is my r1 so it is very easy and convenient to hit that one button. to me it just seems to be easier than z or clicking the button. that is just a personal preference though and not saying either of the methods is hard.

i just have to remember with my controller hit the spell then hit emote button not hit emote without a spell chosen first lol. i just love changing aoe toggle and starting a br, but that is my user error not the game itself.



not disagreeing with you too much but as i use one it is only a single button on the controller to change from aoe on to off on there as well. you do not have to reach up to grab the mouse and click it. you select your spell and then hit the button during subtargeting(my controller is r1) and then confirm the spell once it is targeted. if you use a gamepad and didn't know whatever button you use to call your emotes has multiple uses.

if not in battle it calls emotes. if in battle and you are joining a battle regimen you hover over the spell/ability and hit it and it stacks into battle regimen. if you select a spell and are in submenu screen it also changes your aoe from off to on status. if you did know this i apologize, but i have seen alot recently that didn't know and was just tryin to be helpful.

Interesting I didn't know that, I've always used a macro lol. Thanks.

[darkstarpoet1]

Interesting I didn't know that, I've always used a macro lol. Thanks.

this is one of the biggest complaints i have. they should have an instruction manual on what buttong controls what commands on both keybaord and controller. i only found out about the emotes recently(thanks i believe was due to TheVids) pointed out using emotes stacks in battle regimen and if you started or ended you could start the regimen with whatever button you use to open your menu while not in battle.

for me

r1 i can stack into battle regimens, change aoe toggle, and call my emotes.
start opens menu's and starts battle regimens.

these are simple things that if we had the info on would make like alot easier.

[Seraphita]

Bring back my AGAS! (blizzaga, firaga, ect) i hate the toggle AoE system!

[Shika]

@ Darkstar- I was referring to the post by Tiraelina ^^
I personally use a 360 controller and that has triangle as the toggle for /aoe on or off. The triggers are just personally how I have my controller set up for the macro rows (CTRL and ALT). I also have my back button as my push to talk for vent

[darkstarpoet1]

@ Darkstar- I was referring to the post by Tiraelina ^^
I personally use a 360 controller and that has triangle as the toggle for /aoe on or off. The triggers are just personally how I have my controller set up for the macro rows (CTRL and ALT). I also have my back button as my push to talk for vent

oops my apologies.

yeah i have my r1 for emotes, r2 for macros, start for menu(start br), x for confirm/select, triangle for deselect, l2 for my push to talk in vent. mine is one of the playstation looking controllers. i tried to set my controller up for more what i am accustomed to with old game setups as much as possible so it felt a little more familiar to me. i understand everyone has their own preferences though and i am glad you found a configuration you feel comfortable with. i know it took me quite a while to get mine setup the way i wanted to.

[Arcell]

AoE toggle is perfectly fine. Select skill > Emote button or Z > confirm target. It's seriously THAT easy to toggle AoE on or off while casting. You have to hit ONE extra button. ONE. Are people seriously complaining about having to hit ONE extra button occasionally? Bunch of whiners, this community continually makes me sick.

[Evangela]

AoE toggle is perfectly fine. Select skill > Emote button or Z > confirm target. It's seriously THAT easy to toggle AoE on or off while casting. You have to hit ONE extra button. ONE. Are people seriously complaining about having to hit ONE extra button occasionally? Bunch of whiners, this community continually makes me sick.

If you need 3 steps to cast a spell, that's not fine

because in other MMOs they only need 1 button

[Tsuga]

If you need 3 steps to cast a spell, that's not fine

because in other MMOs they only need 1 button

And if you're not incompetent these 3 steps can be done in one to two seconds!

If this system were streamlined anymore then everyone would just bitch about the fact that it's too easy to cast spells.

Masochism at its finest.

Bah, The aoe toggle is good. Now my experiance with dom's is limited to r30 thm. but the aoe toggle is really handy.

Moving the widget from only showing up while casting to a top level, on screen one would be optimal. the toggle is already available at the top level with the /aoe command. that way you could just hit z or how ever its mapped to the controller and that's that.

I Really fail to understand the logic of lets avoid the toggle and get to casting quicker by adding More spells and action bars. the end result would be the same or even more user actions to reach the same result.

Now could aoe mode come at the cost of a slight bump to mp cost, casting time, or per target efficiency? Yea it probably could. Might even add a layer of tactics on top of battle.

I agree entirely.

I would have no problem with hate/MP cost/casting time all being increased by use of AoE, but that has NOTHING to do with the toggle itself, and having additional AoE spells is not necessary for these adjustments to be made.

Intuitive controls do not need to be sacrificed to make the game/classes challenging.