Vote-Kicked from Pharos Sirus as healer

[Madoka]

They probably didn't finish the dungeon anyway

[kayuwoody]

It takes 3 votes to boot you, and if all 3 people voted yes, then you must have been doing something wrong.

The OP is at the very least, in the minority! Even the posts in this thread indicate that. It doesn't matter how right you are, if you cannot convince others of it, moreso if it is because of the manner of your delivery or instruction.

[Worm]

I find OP being attacked for being a jerk highly amusing, I would love for someone to explain mechanics I didn't know and help us through an instance like that.
I don't know if most of you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing, but "My feelings got hurt" is kind of a weak excuse if you don't even say anything in the first place.

The same thing happens in every "I got kicked because I died once" thread. So yes I'm arguing for the sake of parity, I'll admit.

unless someone explicitly called another player an idiot here, no one was "attacked". It's called criticism.

You know what? In life, you're gonna mess up and people are gonna call you on it. You're gonna know it, they're gonna know it, and so is everyone else. Then they're going to say something about it and you're going to have to deal with the reverberating sound of failure.

You're not gonna go very far in life if your first reaction is to just cry about it and start flailing your arms until the mean person pointing out your failures just goes away.

I'll agree that he didn't attack anyone, but you really can't see a problem with the way he was talking? Do you really think that unacceptable behavior begins and insults and everything up to that point is just acceptable? I mean even look what you're typing "reverberating sound of failure" ... come off it for a second. Characterizing everyone who has an issue with this kind of tone as a mewling baby is actually sort of the point I'm trying to make.

[Kielix]

You can tell which people cannot take constructive criticism by the responses in this thread.

[ispano]

It takes 3 votes to boot you, and if all 3 people voted yes, then you must have been doing something wrong.

Actually, no. It's a majority vote. So in a 4 man, it only takes 2 people.

[Tarta]

No good deed goes unpunished.

You have to conform to what the majority of society views as "proper" and adapt to a non-patronizing sounding (even if not intentional) way of conveying 20% of communication over text.
Also doing it will be viewed negatively on a high percentage as your audience meets "average" statistics, and "average" do not take criticism well of any kind (to varying degrees).

It's a losing battle.
Join the flow. Sheep it up and prosper. It's what Tarta does. Tarta goes baaah baaah and wins. Wins and wins.

[Malendroit]

You yelled at them so they most likely felt like shit and then you stood over them like a parent expecting them to acknowledge what you said... You deserved the boot and it was well justified... Seriously this is not a troll post it's reality

The OP did nothing wrong. He was asking for confirmation. Making sure people know what their roles are is not going overboard, especially when these folks weren't performing their roles properly. It was a bit aggressive, but I'd be upset, too, if I was trying to help and being completely ignored. Abuse of the kick system or they were trolling the OP.

[Squa]

I think most of the arguments have been made here, I won't respond to anything in particular, but I will add a small followup experience I had from last night.

Even after I was flustered on my healer from the previous DF Roulette experience, I was still pretty short on myth tomes for the week, and the Roulette 40+ reward is quite nice, so sometime late last night I decided to requeue and try to get it done for the day (even though I was strongly considering boycotting DF).

So, I queue up on my WHM who is lvl 85 with +1 relic, and I get a 0/3 in progress dungeon queue immediately. I accept the offer, and notice it was Amdapor Keep and that only the very first pack of mobs have been killed in the instance, so it was basically a fresh run. I was greeted with the "hello, our previous healer just left, we don't know why didn't give a reason." Hmm, ok, I inspect the party, the SMN is fresh 50 with some lvl 29 rings and quest gear/GC weapon. The BRD is mostly HQ crafted gear, including the 70 crafted bow, and I don't think any item from dungeon to give any hint they have some dungeons before. The WAR was about 5000 HP, and had some Darklight pieces. So, I was thinking to myself, I know why the healer left, because this run has a very low probability of completion. So, we continue in, I don't say anything yet but am really doubting if the group can make it past the Demon Wall (DPS check). Clear to first boss, ok no wipes, other than each pull going verrry slow. First boss, I help to DPS at first, then switch to healing 100% once party starts taking damage. Fight is going verrrrry slow, after about 3 minutes, and boss like 30% or something, a big red zone takes out 2 players and its a wipe. Tank apologizes for getting hit, we run back, and second try, same thing about 3 minutes in 1 or 2 dps get hit and die, at this point me and the tank slowly whittle away the boss and barely get a kill. Woohoo! On to Demon Wall...

So, clearing trash to demon wall, the mobs are attacking me as a healer (healing aggro) quite often, I don't say anything to the tank because I have learned a lesson on trying to tell people how to play or what to do, doesn't go over well usually. So I just heal through it, which was perfectly doable just a little odd. Get to Demon Wall, I am nervous. After starting the encounter, it is apparent the BRD has no idea the mechanics, since he just sits in the middle and doesn't avoid anything. Get to about 35% HP, bees spawn, tank goes off the edge, its a wipe. 2nd try, get back, I say something like "does anyone have any questions about this?" (I was hinting at the BRD since he got hit by everything), no on says anything, we go again. Same BRD getting hit by everything, SMN getting hit by about half things, tank goes off the edge again, wipe. 3rd time, tank doesn't go off, dps getting hit by everything, once the bees spawn the wall is still like 35%, we get overrun. DPS is low, I am parsing and tank is doing 2nd place DPS, 4th attempt again, low dps, people go flying off ...

So after spawn, I have already spent like 30+ minutes here, I see that this group is fresh 50's, never been inside, the tank was OK and had likely been there before since he had at least 3 pieces of darklight, but got hit by a lot of things. So I say in chat "This group isn't happening, can anybody step out so we can get a clear?" No one answers, I was hoping 1 of the 2 new DPS would step out and we would get a replacement who was much better and could carry the DPS. All 4 of us sit an entrance for a few minutes, then tank drops (which I was a bit sad about, since I was hoping the DPS would drop, the tank was OK just I think he felt bad that he got knocked off a lot, even tho the DPS was rly bad and we wouldn't have killed it anyways). So tank drops, and we get a new tank replacement, this tank is much better item, like relic and 5500 health PLD or so, a few darklights, and he was cheerful and said like "lets give it a go!" So we head back, and tank is like top DPS on Demon Wall, DPS getting hti by everything, low dps, SMN goes flying off the edge, bees come, Wall gets closer, we all die ... SMN immediately drops group (he may have been embarassed), I Will give him credit he could play his class fairly well from what I saw. He had a good SMN rotation up and knew his stuff, it was just he said he literally just hit 50 that same day and had pink dungeon items on from 20's/30's/40's. Can't blame him ... so we wait again, we have 3 in the group, the new OK PLD, the old BRD and me ... I think the BRD is party leader and is not clicking the 'replace party member?' button. Time is ticking down, gets to about 16 minutes left total in the dungeon, we are sitting at entrance as 3, then the BRD drops (finally!), I am party lead. Immediately I replenish ranks, and we get like a 4300 HP DRG and 4000 HP BRD. Yes! We can maybe clear this! I tell him "Its possible to clear the dungeon, everyone needs to hurry and not make any mistakes!"

So we sprint to Demon Wall, buff up, kill it before bees spawn ... continue to the rest of the instance. The tank is pulling a lot, but we have to since time is low. A few close calls, but we make it to final boss with no wipes (about 8 minutes left at this point). We kill final boss, with a few minutes to spare! everyone is happy, DPS is happy they got quick myth tomes (full run in like 10 minutes). I am happy since my entire run wasn't wasted (again). Tank is happy too for a quick run.

So, that was my run. I felt bad, but it became apparent at the time, the members were too new, and we could either continue dying for the rest of the 90 minutes on Demon Wall since it was very unlikely we would kill it, or I could tell the group "Look, we gave it some nice tries, but this group can't progress any further. Would you mind dropping so we can replace and try to get a clear?" Keep in mind I never insulted anyone, or vote kicked anyone. People who left did so voluntarily after we tried a lot. I felt bad for those people, but we had to go on without them, but as a healer there was little I could do to progress the instance any further besides just healing (and DPS when I was free).

So that is my DF experience for last night. Also, I should note, this morning I also queued DF Roulette on my healer again, and guess what I got??? Pharos Sirus. Thankfully, I recognized one of the other party members as a DRG from my server who I have PF with. Who is almost full 90 and very good. The group was way overgeared for the instance, so we did it and 1 shotted everything. However I have to admit, at the dungeon entrance, if I didn't have high confidence in the party I may have left at the beginning and take the 30 min debuff and just make a WP group.

[Ramzal]

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Nitpick here. Gnat. Not a Bee, a Gnat. :P I've seen a lot of people call them Bee's. It's illogical for me to feel so strongly about it, but I just do. Okay, now that that's out of the way.

I'm not sure what to really think here. I can understand wanting to progress for myth. I can even understand you asking someone to please drop, but I don't really agree with it. Yeah, they probably aren't going to pass (Odds are pretty stacked against them given their situation) but they're in a process of learning. You already knew the dungeon and you did as much as you could have for them. I think you should have stepped out rather than one of them. Outside of that I understand, but I don't really agree.

[kayuwoody]

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I think you've gone to the other extreme now though. As the DPS clearly didn't know the mechanics, you could just go ahead and explain How you go about doing that is important to not ruffle feathers. No finger pointing, just explain the mechanics.. though to be honest, if they couldn't avoid the big purple aoes on the ground there probably was not much hope to begin with!

Other than that, I think you did everything you could, just chalk it up to the randomness of the DF.