Watching content before actually doing it?

[DeceptionsWrath]

There is a lot of this stuff going around and i think it hurts the game more than helps it. It makes a lot of people not feel very welcomed. I watched a video for Titan HM, but that seems to be a fight you need to learn first hand as a caster. I did a few attempts @ Titan HM for my BLM relic and it didn't seem to help. I was even told that i should farm garuda for a weapon before doing the titan fight again.... So let me get this straight... I need to farm Garuda HM for god knows how long to get a weapon, just so i can beat 1 fight and then get my relic? Now i can see if i had some level 42 weapon. But this fight is set for i57 and i'm i70 with an i70 HQ Market board weapon. And i need a stronger weapon? I think it's these so called "watch a video" people that just want to get carried through content.

[Tupsi]

So let me get this straight... I need to farm Garuda HM

Too be fair, yes - The thought process is your damage will go up which will help in the long run, the only reason someone likely would have said that is because your DPS was too low to meet the check on the heart and after. While you CAN take it "slow and steady" after heart you still want to be fairly fast or the stomps will eventually wipe you.

Yes, you will get your relic after titan, but if your damage is very low you're just being carried. Only the Titan weapon (at times) is a waste to farm because you get the relic right after it.

[Rhysati]

While I agree in general with the spirit of the OP, you chose bad analogies. Watching a video of super mario would be ONLY affecting you.

Here, you are affecting potentially up to 23 other people who have invested time and energy into learning the fights. By going there with no knowledge of them, you are wasting other peoples time. If you find a group willing to help you, wonderful! I would do so myself. But if you join a group of people that want to get the content done, sorry bud, but you ARE holding them back.

[Zfz]

Random matching with strangers = why should I do anything for people who I'll never meet again = failures are a waste of time.

I think this is also part of the reason why everyone is so pumped up on the idea of time "wasted".

The other day in our own FC I saw someone ask another FC member to leave the content (not sure what they were doing, sounded like one of the primals) and "go learn the fight" by watching videos and such. I was in the middle of a dungeon myself (tanking) and by the time I finished it, the FC chat was dead silent and it just seemed better not to bring it up again.

Hmmm...I don't know. Perhaps people really need that positive reinforcement of accomplishing something for every hour they spent in an MMO.

Maybe what they really want is a game that "has other people around", not a game they play "with other people".

[Hanemakikaze]

Lol people that tell me they've watched a video but never done the encounter is the same telling me they don't know a damn thing. From my experience, videos are worthless as those same people get hit by the mechanics they supposedly "prepared" for many times until they actually get experience in and get used to the timing/patterns. Video does nothing more than give a player a little confidence, experience is what you actually need. Simply telling someone what to look out for, or who to follow when needed is about the equivalent as watching a video but not "spoiling" the fun of a new encounter, and some people don't actually want to so I'll never understand these "did you even watch the video" people, because it's damn silly.

[Axidrain]

Lol people that tell me they've watched a video but never done the encounter is the same telling me they don't know a damn thing. From my experience, videos are worthless as those same people get hit by the mechanics they supposedly "prepared" for many times until they actually get experience in and get used to the timing/patterns. Video does nothing more than give a player a little confidence, experience is what you actually need. Simply telling someone what to look out for, or who to follow when needed is about the equivalent as watching a video but not "spoiling" the fun of a new encounter, and some people don't actually want to so I'll never understand these "did you even watch the video" people, because it's damn silly.

you'll understand when u start doing the highest end game instances. explanation alone isnt enough. some of the mechanics are pretty complex

[Ri_ri]

you'll understand when u start doing the highest end game instances. explanation alone isnt enough. some of the mechanics are pretty complex

The only complex mechanics I've seen is on Twintania, and hopefully we won't be getting anymore of that WoW-style dancing.

Besides that it's crazy obvious things that you'll understand once you do one time. Even if you don't, all it takes is one phrase from someone.

People often confuse "know" with "experience". Like the Rot... everyone knows it. But can you do it for 5 minutes while interrupting and avoiding lasers? If you don't the party is dead. And this is what should be killed from boss designs, wiping the whole group for one person's failure of keeing track of multiple things at once is too much.

[Pylfer]

If you want to watch the videos and have a greater overall understanding of the fights and stuff then go for it, watch the videos and have a better chance of succeeding. I don't believe that people should be penalized for not watching them and that's a general rule of thumb for me.

I never watched any Ultima Ballad videos and managed to do just fine there, same with other dungeons and other primals and stuff. The videos are a tool for personal use to better your overall ability to recognize what is coming in the fight and how to deal with it. If you don't want to use them, so be it.

[Hanemakikaze]

you'll understand when u start doing the highest end game instances. explanation alone isnt enough. some of the mechanics are pretty complex

Sorry to say but I've already completed everything aside from T5, and you know what? That has been the only encounter I have ever bothered watching, and the irony is the video didn't help at all I ended up having to find a written explanation of the fights phases. So nah, I don't understand as there are no real complex mechanics in this game that just a few attempts don't fix(which is about the exact amount it takes for these video watchers to get it) unless the player is extremely slow learner in which case that would be the players fault not the game itself.

Nothing is really going to change the fact that until you have actual experience your credibility on doing well in the encounter means nothing, what's also very noticable, especially DPS is their damage is usually extremely low until they are comfortable with said new encounter so even if they did get something out of the video, they still end up slowing the group as a whole down and in fights that require lots of damage that's still about the same thing as not pulling your weight even if you're alive. But eventually they get comfortable and DPS skyrockets, I use dps as an example because these are always the most noticable. So I'll say it again, watching a video to me is the equivalent as just going in blind, as far as I'm concerned when people tell me that, I expect a few deaths and wipes. And I am ok with that as long as this is the type of group where I should expect it.

[Axidrain]

le snip

yeah it would be fine if these people who go in blind, refrained from joining FARMING and EXPERIENCE required PF's. but that's not the case from what ive seen. wanna learn the fight from scratch? make ur own PF ad and find other like-minded players to join u. otherwise be prepared to be called a retard from dying too much in a "kill" party you joined.