Watching content before actually doing it?

[Ri_ri]

you'll understand when u start doing the highest end game instances. explanation alone isnt enough. some of the mechanics are pretty complex

The only complex mechanics I've seen is on Twintania, and hopefully we won't be getting anymore of that WoW-style dancing.

Besides that it's crazy obvious things that you'll understand once you do one time. Even if you don't, all it takes is one phrase from someone.

People often confuse "know" with "experience". Like the Rot... everyone knows it. But can you do it for 5 minutes while interrupting and avoiding lasers? If you don't the party is dead. And this is what should be killed from boss designs, wiping the whole group for one person's failure of keeing track of multiple things at once is too much.

[Tupsi]

So let me get this straight... I need to farm Garuda HM

Too be fair, yes - The thought process is your damage will go up which will help in the long run, the only reason someone likely would have said that is because your DPS was too low to meet the check on the heart and after. While you CAN take it "slow and steady" after heart you still want to be fairly fast or the stomps will eventually wipe you.

Yes, you will get your relic after titan, but if your damage is very low you're just being carried. Only the Titan weapon (at times) is a waste to farm because you get the relic right after it.

[Hanemakikaze]

you'll understand when u start doing the highest end game instances. explanation alone isnt enough. some of the mechanics are pretty complex

Sorry to say but I've already completed everything aside from T5, and you know what? That has been the only encounter I have ever bothered watching, and the irony is the video didn't help at all I ended up having to find a written explanation of the fights phases. So nah, I don't understand as there are no real complex mechanics in this game that just a few attempts don't fix(which is about the exact amount it takes for these video watchers to get it) unless the player is extremely slow learner in which case that would be the players fault not the game itself.

Nothing is really going to change the fact that until you have actual experience your credibility on doing well in the encounter means nothing, what's also very noticable, especially DPS is their damage is usually extremely low until they are comfortable with said new encounter so even if they did get something out of the video, they still end up slowing the group as a whole down and in fights that require lots of damage that's still about the same thing as not pulling your weight even if you're alive. But eventually they get comfortable and DPS skyrockets, I use dps as an example because these are always the most noticable. So I'll say it again, watching a video to me is the equivalent as just going in blind, as far as I'm concerned when people tell me that, I expect a few deaths and wipes. And I am ok with that as long as this is the type of group where I should expect it.

[DeceptionsWrath]

Too be fair, yes - The thought process is your damage will go up which will help in the long run, the only reason someone likely would have said that is because your DPS was too low to meet the check on the heart and after. While you CAN take it "slow and steady" after heart you still want to be fairly fast or the stomps will eventually wipe you.

Yes, you will get your relic after titan, but if your damage is very low you're just being carried. Only the Titan weapon (at times) is a waste to farm because you get the relic right after it.

Well thank you for your input but this is rediculous. The fight is i57.... How is an i70 weapon NOT good enough? Also, i do believe the Garuda weapon is like 1 damage higher than my current weapon.

[Airget]

Well thank you for your input but this is rediculous. The fight is i57.... How is an i70 weapon NOT good enough? Also, i do believe the Garuda weapon is like 1 damage higher than my current weapon.

I think you're missing the point they are making.

They are saying Garuda is good practice to work on dmg output against Titan's Heart, because of the phase in Garuda where she summons 2 clones of herself.

You have to knock them out fast before they reappear in the middle and do a devestating attack. if the group you are in and the dmg output you provide is good enough then both clones will be defeated however if one still remains and does it attack, it just means you need more practice working on your rotation so that you can provide a better dmg output against Titan.

[DeceptionsWrath]

I think you're missing the point they are making.

They are saying Garuda is good practice to work on dmg output against Titan's Heart, because of the phase in Garuda where she summons 2 clones of herself.

You have to knock them out fast before they reappear in the middle and do a devestating attack. if the group you are in and the dmg output you provide is good enough then both clones will be defeated however if one still remains and does it attack, it just means you need more practice working on your rotation so that you can provide a better dmg output against Titan.

My damage was NOT the problem in the fight, i fail to see how people are thinking this.... Lets see, maybe it was the way server postioning is done? Or no heals? Or No esuna after the jail just before the heart? There were many of reasons why the fight was lost. Shocked AF2 isn't required here too...

Also, you need to beat Garuda to get to Titan. Which i must say, was so easy. First attempt win and it was only 11 minutes. But Titan however... I still think it's that damn positioning check. Not sure why they don't just have it save after you get out of w/e AOE you avoided. I guess that would make this fight far too easy. Casting a spell then having a plume put under you is almost certain death. Because it happens mid cast and the server saves your position there even after running out of it.

[Amberion]

Cut for 1k characters.!
Teaching someone shouldn't be considered a waste of time, but at times..people who know nothing tend to queue for fights above their caliber the second they get the chance to.

While you found some random person that helped you, it was not end game fights. It was more that they gave points on how to be better at the job/class, where to go next to level and things like that. All "hard" fights where handled by your LS. And your LS got something out of teaching you, random person really don't. So while it's nice if they help with things, a player really shouldn't expect it from people they randomly get assigned with.

The problem with this game is that there is no real need to be in a community. So instead of going in with your LS/friends, you go with 3-7-23 random people that don't really give a damn about you. They just want to complete the content.

[Gramul]

Or they are passing on their knowledge gained from experience or the explanations they got when they were new.

Isn't that exactly what the videos are for?

[Axidrain]

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yeah it would be fine if these people who go in blind, refrained from joining FARMING and EXPERIENCE required PF's. but that's not the case from what ive seen. wanna learn the fight from scratch? make ur own PF ad and find other like-minded players to join u. otherwise be prepared to be called a retard from dying too much in a "kill" party you joined.

[Hanemakikaze]

yeah it would be fine if these people who go in blind, refrained from joining FARMING and EXPERIENCE required PF's. but that's not the case from what ive seen. wanna learn the fight from scratch? make ur own PF ad and find other like-minded players to join u. otherwise be prepared to be called a retard from dying too much in a "kill" party you joined.

Problem here is, this isn't related to watching video, this is just a bunch of liars trying to get carried, and it will always show and I'm sure you like anyone else that actually have the full clear experience can tell with these players. The issue there is that they are flat out lying to an entire group of people, video does not count as experience and anyone joining a farm group like that should be kicked and not waste peoples time who are there for farming with other experienced players for loot and not just a win. Not to say being new is bad, but lying to get into group with players who are trying to get gear so you can squeeze out a win if possible is not cool.