Watching content before actually doing it?

[Radxen]

I find OP's comparison of a NES game and this MMO game amusing.

[Elim]

Not gunna lie, if I ever decided I wanted to play a Mario NES game, I'd read a guide before hand. LOL.

[Lumiin]

Lol bads is what I call em. I've never played an mmo where I had to watch a video before I joined a dungeon. And I still won't, especially since all you do is dodge on this game. Anyone can do that.

If you have to watch a video and you require someone to watch videos over and over, then you're a bad player. =T

[Ronyx]

Agree with the post. No Youtube video will be better than actually doing the content yourself and figure out whats the best strategy to do with your team composition since different classes have different strategies, so no video will always work for X team.

[Deifact]

Kind of off topic, but sometimes I wonder if I'd have more fun if they reduced the gear grind by 80% . if for example, we had one set of gear from 1-30 then another 30-50 , then AF , then say darklight, I feel that devs would have to make the dungeons more fun to play than tying them to rewards making them necessary to play.

It's kinda like hiding your insulin in a barrel of sewage, opposed to giving you your insulin then offering you a ball pit to play in.

[Gramul]

I actually read them.

Anyway, I just think it's basic courtesy to get at least a good grip on what to expect for the parties sake. "Mario on the nes" isn't a fair comparison as it's a single player game (or at least not co-op, unless you count the original Mario Bros, but that's a totally different beast entirely). In FFXIV dungeons and bosses, you're playing with a group. It's not exactly fun to spend time dealing with someone running around with no clue what to do. It's true that when they first start out no one has any clue how to beat them, but once that knowledge becomes popular, I don't see any reason why not to use it. I mean, chances are some people in your group have been doing it before. Instead of relying on them explaining what to do, you can prepare yourself and save them the trouble.


This may sound harsh, but it seems willfully ignorant for egocentric reasons. There's no room for that in a group. You can't just say "I want to figure it out for myself" to people who are relying on you to help them pass it, especially when they are already knowledgeable about it.

[Aliaga]

i usually teach new players, but lately, its getting too time consuming, for example, i got 2 random new players to fill in for my group for coil group, and we took like 2 hours to get them to understand how everything works on turn 1, if i have got experienced players we could have time to run more turns that day, so yeah on harder fights you may need to learn it on your own if youre going into someones team or duty finder, if you want to learn head first, make your team and do it with your friends, cant be teaching these stuff every time.

[Runalong]

I normally tank in MMO's and since a lot of encounters rely on the tank knowing what they are doing it's become habit to watch a guide before attempting content. I don't think it's fair on the rest of the group to go into content not knowing what I'm doing since it's likely going to result in repeat wipes and frustration for everyone involved. In the end it's all about team work and if you can't be bothered finding out how to do your part then you're not exactly a team player.

Don't be surprised if people start to get irritated with you when they're doing their part and you're not.

[ruskie]

As far as I'm concerned I'll only watch after a wipe or two. But first time no matter what class I will run it blind. Watching it doesn't help. I've had people explain titan hm and turn 1 a dozen times before doing it yet until I was in there and knew the mechanics I couldn't absorb that knowledge properly. Hell for t1 I even read up on a guide or two just to get a better understanding. We still wiped probably half a dozen times. Hell we still do due to one thing or another. Hell ran titan hm enough times to know it yet with a group of people that were mostly on the same level we still kept wiping 2 hours straight. There's so much more to it than just watch the video.

Different people absorb knowledge differently... I need to do it, someone else can just read it. Any PF group I start always has the tags slow and steady and to the end and usually newcomers welcome.

Without trying things differently or learning differently I doubt there would be an enrage mode t2.

[BloodPact]

The only reason I'm writing this is because I can't believe how some people expect others to play a game nowadays.

So you're new to the game, you've been playing games all your life and you can't wait to pop in ff online, get into some epic quests, fight big bad signature monsters from the series and have an awesome experience doing it. But wait, as a newcomer you're constantly told you should know the content before actually running it. Now you're thinking WTTTTF?? At least I am. Since when do players need video youtube strategy guides to go through a dungeon or defeat a boss or else other players leave or call you names?

Man, back in the day when we played Mario on the nes or something I don't remember us watching videos of when the next hole in the ground or monster will freaking pop up. People had a blast increasing their skills to beat hard games. Why ruin the surprise of the video game by having so many pro wannabes say we have to know content or discourage people who haven't run a dungeon. That's the whole point of a game, to have fun on the first runs! Not to watch someone else on youtube have a fun time explaining it.

Only advise I have for someone getting griped to the ground by a raging person who needs his leet loot more than anything in life, who hates that you're new to the dungeon is to shrug it off and keep going in the party and hope he rage quits all by himself. Don't let it get you down, and don't feel like you need to watch anything before playing it first hand, unless you choose to.

Party Finder is great in that aspect. You can now easily look for those who like your style while others (like me) can also specify things like "make sure you know all the phases and positions for this fight". For me at least, doing something like Turn 4 your way, using party finder, would be a total waste of time. It would take you weeks, if you are lucky, to complete it. Only way would be if a static started from scratch, but you are talking in a general sense, not a static group.

Let's say you just got to Titan Extreme today (Saturday). You spend 4 hours Duty Findering it to get the basics and let's also assume that you went past the heart and saw a bit of what happens after that. Tomorrow you log in for for another three hours and are now ready to do some of those Party Finder groups that don't have harsh requirements to enter. You learned a bit more today. Tuesday, you feel confident from the previous attempts and join the high ilvl, "must have experience past heart" parties. After about an hour of wipes, you finally make it and pass it. You now realize that unless people have the lot of practice and experience these fights require, it's not going to happen. You are sure as hell not going to be OK if after spending half of the week getting to know this fight you get a party composition of people who are doing it for the first time and didn't read or study the fight because it kills the excitement.

If you are going to do something for the first time and don't want to read up on it because it kills that sense of adventuring to you, it's completely understandable. Make a party for it and find like-minded people. The Party Finders asking for experienced players in those fights are there for a reason as valid as yours.