Let 2 SCH shields stack with diminishing returns

[xAlice]

I rather put the blame on a general lack of or misunderstanding of the Scholar class. There's still people who expect us to have some kind of cure III, or (ugh) benediction/unlimited lustrates.

On the other hand, I can see why someone would want two SCH's adlo shield to stack. I recall a very very happy tank in Titan HM with 6 regen stacks. 3 x Medica II, 3 x Regen. And yeah, I know, it's Titan HM. Still.

(To bash myself, I could also say that it's OP of us to be given the ability to sit and twiddle our fingers because Eos could practically solo heal AK so that we can function as 5th DPS. This is especially true in the low level roulette.)

Edit: I'm optimistic. Want to give it some time to see how it all pans out. I'm still a newbie anyhow.

[Sanguisio]

I think it would be nice for |SCHs to have stacked shields, however this must only apply to Succor at least for the time being, two SCHs with stacked crit shields would be stupid.

It would be nice for WHMS to get a CD which allows them to temporarily cast on the go, or give regen a boost.

[Maku]

SCH has extremely weak AOE healing. THey can heal fine except any fight with large aoe damage. WHM has amazing aoe healing, and also can single target heal great with regen/cure/free cure ii. A SCH helps a WHM do his nob well (not the other way around)

Again, I don't think SCH AoE is weak at all IF stacked with another SCH. Yes a single SCHs AoE isn't that great but I have done Titan EX (arguably the most AoE Healing Intensive fight we have currently) with 2 SCHs and if you work out rotations like I mentioned in my first post we do just fine if not better than WHMs cause we don't need Ballads.

[cadams85017]

A Sch only saving grace is its ability stay active with little management. The whm has to damn near micro manage its rotation and heal himself to stay in the game. ill take the extremes as an example titan dislikes healers that can cast one heal on the party and erase all his 2 hour damage. while he could care less about soil, succ prior as everyone is still half dead. without soil succ the group takes more damage but it can be erased easily with an empowered cure 3. ifrit whm pops in med2 and party is Is good for a while. a whm with a bard and ballad can solo heal extremes. it is very difficult for a sch to do the same. HELL, my sch is i90 and whm is i80 and if im soloing healing hards and extremes im going with whm.

[AishaK]

Just a bad idea

if scholar shields stacked it would essentially be the death of whm in 8 mans, at least in progression and end game. guaranteed 1300 "relatively" spammable hp shield or double the chance (2x the adlo's thrown) at a big 2.6-3k or more hp shield. dual sch will also finally have caught up to whm in spammable aoe.

Scholars already have hidden synergy in their lustrates as well, 2x lustrate at the same time on a low hp tank is +50% hp (plus embraces thrown 70% or so, rarely does a tank dip below 20 or 30% anyway), which is pretty huge and enough to mitigate most disasters. Benediction thrown at the same time as a lustrate is just wasted though.

I guess its just human nature to ask for more but seriously stop! We are going to have a situation similar to 2.0 warriors and paladins if anything like this goes through.

[chumsy]

There definitely should be some benefit. Its a huge waste for them to not stack at all.
You can get two regen stacks from 2 whm medica 2s.

is this true? never played whm at 50, but if regen stacks with other regen, then it doenst make sense for 2 shields to not stack

[Mhaeric]

is this true? never played whm at 50, but if regen stacks with other regen, then it doenst make sense for 2 shields to not stack

They definitely do not stack. If you cast a spell that grants the Galvanize effect (i.e. the shield) on someone who already has a Galvanize effect, then one of two things will happen:

1. If your new Galvanize effect is larger than the current remaining Galvanize effect, then the old one is overwritten and they receive the full effect of your new one. You can see this by noting that both before and after your cast there is only one green Galvanize icon on the target.
2. If the current remaining Galvanize effect is larger than your new Galvanize effect, then you get a flying text message on your target stating, "Your Galvanize has no effect!"

As for Regen, it's easy to tell they stack, because you can see multiple icons on the target. One for each regen effect on them. Notably, Regen and Medica II also stack both with themselves and eachother. So if you have 3 WHM in the party you can have 3 regens and 3 Medica II regens running on a single target at the same time.

[Wolf_Gang]

SCH do just fine in AOE situations you just have to heal proactively. Yes A SCH has a weak AOE if he tries to imitate a WHM and just spam Succor like a fool.

But if you look at a case like Titan's Tumults. A SCH can precast Galvanize, lay down Soil, pop Whispering dawn then follow up with one more Succor. Then follow up with Eye for an Eye + Virus + soil with the Galvanize precast and Succor for the next round of tumults.

This is what I do when I solo-Heal Titan HM and I do all the healing for tumults on Titan Ex (while other healer only focus tanks).

Yes, it requires you to be more knowlegdable about the fight, but that's what a SCH is: a Strategist. WHM are more of the "Oh, s**t" healers

[sharazisspecial]

There are 0 fights which double sch can't heal atm.

[chumsy]

They definitely do not stack. If you cast a spell that grants the Galvanize effect (i.e. the shield) on someone who already has a Galvanize effect, then one of two things will happen:.

I already know shields dont stack, im a sch, but with whm stacking regens, that i didnt know. extremely powerful , essentially having 2-3 regens on a tank means you can forget about even healing them. I doubt many ppl have even healed as a sch end game. Ive done titan ext and it aint easy, having to hit 3-4 different keys/making sure fairy is in good position for tumult, whm just hit one cure III/medica. imagine your pet dying mid battle, you lose essentially a huge amount of healing or lots of time trying to resummon, if swift cast is on CD.