"In-Progress" queue fishing has to stop

[BloodPact]

That is the colossally retarded idea that everyone else is bandying around. Do you realize how much worse that would make DPS queues? Queue fishers are almost exclusively tanks, because only tanks have no or nearly no queue times.

The Duty Finder should, under no circumstances, tell you whether the group is new or in-progress. You should have no way of knowing until you get inside. Upon getting into a new instance, if you leave, then you will eat a 30 minute penalty.

This small change will stop queue fishers instantly.

My main is a DPS but I tank most of the time in dungeons to evade this problem, and agreed, the best solution would be to remove all visible indication that you will (or won't) be joining a party in progress and place the 30 minute wait for any type of instance drop except for full premades.

[Ptolemy]

Once again, not showing whether they actually getting an in progress dungeon in the commence window addresses this.

Won't happen, as long as the in-progress option exists, if they truly wanted to address the fishing, they'd remove the option and mask the boss menu, though i don't see that happening unless they like forcing people into constant new dungeons (RNG FTW -_-) and leaving the in-progress dungeons left without people while increasing queues for everyone (You can go on for hours and never see a replacement literally, going by experience in WoW x.x)

[faldette]

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The thing is, if there was an in-progress queue, people have admitted that they would use that exclusively. That is the problem. People wanting to cut to the end of the dungeon every time, not just when they have limited time but still want to be helpful. Combined with everyone else that is trying the same thing, it becomes really obnoxious for those trying to start a new party. So even if your intentions are noble and you are an exception to the implication, doesn't mean that everyone else is too.

[SendohJin]

The thing is, if there was an in-progress queue, people have admitted that they would use that exclusively. That is the problem. People wanting to cut to the end of the dungeon every time, not just when they have limited time but still want to be helpful. Combined with everyone else that is trying the same thing, it becomes really obnoxious for those trying to start a new party. So even if your intentions are noble and you are an exception to the implication, doesn't mean that everyone else is too.

when the "In Progress Only" queues gives those people nothing for an hour they'll learn not to be stupid about it. they can't constantly cut to the end when no one is dropping out, that becomes a supply and demand issue. if they know for a fact there are none to fish for, they'll stop fishing.

really, you don't want to start new parties with those people anyway. they might as well not exist.

[faldette]

What if rewards were given proportional to the amount of time and/or number of bosses that player participated in fighting, affecting both tomes given and biasing rolls for loot towards those that did the full run? Those that fish could still do so, but at the cost of their own rewards. Let them waste their own time instead of annoying others. In fact, doing that, having a in-progress only queue could potentially work and eliminate the commence/withdraw spam, save for trolls, which would then be easily identified and dealt with by SE.

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Currently I check "in-progress" for DR just in case someones healer had to leave, I've run the dungeons before and don't mind skipping parts. However, I don't want to lose my one bonus for the day or have it diminished. If joining part way in to help some other group out were to cause me to lose out on the tomes I'm trying to get I would not be checking that box.

Perhaps this could be remedied by rewarding the bonus only after a full run or multiple partial runs?

that sounds way too complicated for them, they could generally just spread myths out more, like 10 10 10 20 for CT. 3/4 In Progress Pharos on High Level DR gives you 90 myth for like a 5 minute fight, that's nuts.

don't know why SE puts all the myths on the last boss only.

As spreading the myths out like that would effectively reward them proportionally, I'm glad you agree. :P

[Thebob89]

This is just a suggestion, but in the case of fishers jumping in just to lay hands on the end game loot, why not just cripple the rewards for completion. That would eliminate the folks just jumping in for the swag. The only drag up would be the fact that a crippled group would be less likely for someone to jump in.

There is no good solution to the issues that I can see. But I am new to the who's mmo deal, so there isn't much stock in my opinion.

[Lurkios]

What if rewards were given proportional to the amount of time and/or number of bosses that player participated in fighting, affecting both tomes given and biasing rolls for loot towards those that did the full run? Those that fish could still do so, but at the cost of their own rewards. Let them waste their own time instead of annoying others. In fact, doing that, having a in-progress only queue could potentially work and eliminate the commence/withdraw spam, save for trolls, which would then be easily identified and dealt with by SE.

Currently I check "in-progress" for DR just in case someones healer had to leave, I've run the dungeons before and don't mind skipping parts. However, I don't want to lose my one bonus for the day or have it diminished. If joining part way in to help some other group out were to cause me to lose out on the tomes I'm trying to get I would not be checking that box.

[SendohJin]

What if rewards were given proportional to the amount of time and/or number of bosses that player participated in fighting, affecting both tomes given and biasing rolls for loot towards those that did the full run? Those that fish could still do so, but at the cost of their own rewards. Let them waste their own time instead of annoying others. In fact, doing that, having a in-progress only queue could potentially work and eliminate the commence/withdraw spam, save for trolls, which would then be easily identified and dealt with by SE.

that sounds way too complicated for them, they could generally just spread myths out more, like 10 10 10 20 for CT. 3/4 In Progress Pharos on High Level DR gives you 90 myth for like a 5 minute fight, that's nuts.

don't know why SE puts all the myths on the last boss only.

[indira]

when you withdraw you should have to wait 5 mins.

[Grailer]

My main is a DPS but I tank most of the time in dungeons to evade this problem, and agreed, the best solution would be to remove all visible indication that you will (or won't) be joining a party in progress and place the 30 minute wait for any type of instance drop except for full premades.

Im a tank , I used to fish but its too hard now because there are too many fishers out there fishing for fish . I can see the benefit of fishing CT if you need item from last boss .

But if I get group in progress when I don't want one Guess what lad , I will quit that group and take the 30 min debuff and alt tab and go play hearth stone , or muck around on kerbin space program or play some GTA5 etc , maybe I will watch some youtube

Fact is I could spend all day joining groups and quiting because I really only need to do 1 roulette a day to cap my myth.