Direct X 10/11 Question - Answer (Translated)

[Coldfire]

You have an AMD card? Tessellation is NVidia's ace in the hole... The GTX cards (Fermi in particular) are built for it whereas AMD cards don't do it nearly as well

Highend NV cards have two tesselation units. But the computational power of the AMD cards is better. I think having a high tesselation performance is important for a DX11 gamer card since it's one of the two most important DX11 features. The other is DirectCompute which enhances postprocessing and other math on the GPU. I hope AMD learned from that and enhances the tesselation performance on their highend models some more.

[Rydin]

Highend NV cards have two tesselation units. But the computational power of the AMD cards is better. I think having a high tesselation performance is important for a DX11 gamer card since it's one of the two most important DX11 features. The other is DirectCompute which enhances postprocessing and other math on the GPU. I hope AMD learned from that and enhances the tesselation performance on their highend models some more.

Yea, I learned the hard way with Metro 2033 and a Radeon HD 5870

[Tiraelina]

Highend NV cards have two tesselation units. But the computational power of the AMD cards is better. I think having a high tesselation performance is important for a DX11 gamer card since it's one of the two most important DX11 features. The other is DirectCompute which enhances postprocessing and other math on the GPU. I hope AMD learned from that and enhances the tesselation performance on their highend models some more.

It's really a nil issue because nVidia purposely pushes devs to use unrealistic amounts of tessellation to make their hardware look better. Which is no doubt the reason AMD added an option in the CCC to limit tessellation levels.

[Rentahamster]

I would suspect that they could theoretically use tessellation to improve their "polygon shaving" technique even further http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc0ilSksWBQ.

[Reinheart]

I would suspect that they could theoretically use tessellation to improve their "polygon shaving" technique even further http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc0ilSksWBQ.

I don't know any of these stuff but looked up tessellation comparison video, pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZHGKTpS6I can tell at 1:25 the rocks looks more real + the building in the back.

[Evangelus]

another comparaison video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfN7OTUOTA

[Coldfire]

It's not unrealistic to use tesselation on all surfaces imho :P
But nv pushing the devs to do some bad poop is true. PhysX (*puke*) is the best example and is hopefully someday the death of nv.

[Tiraelina]

I'm not really referring to using it on all surfaces which is fine, the problem is polygon density. There can only be so much detail in an area before you start needlessly crippling performance for very little gain.

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2010/11/29...ation-for-all/

[DAOWAce]

This has probably been posted before in this thread (did not read fully), and also posted in the other threads.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think over 50% is the majority. I mean, that's what I was taught in kindergarten.

The CMs need to forward hardware survey sites to developers so they pull their heads out of their asses.

Facts people put together:

1) A DX10 capable card is required to run the game at playable framerates
2) Steam, the biggest digital distribution service in the world, records over 50% of the computers it's installed on to be DX10 capable.
3) Windows 7 dominates the OS market, capable of DX11.
4) Windows Vista, capable of DX10, was upgraded to support DX11 shortly after 7's release.
5) DX10 is 5 years old. Was FFXIV really in development for over 5 years? Considering the amount of re-hashed content, I highly doubt it.
6) You can make different clients for different platforms. More development time, yes. Better experience for all of your CUSTOMERS, absolutely.

/mind trails off

[kazaran]

It probably more to due with the PS3 issues, need of the new engine to handle server issues and PC side, and to be able to run on the PS3.

I hope to god, they do ntot hold back the PC version for because of the PS3 limitations, like the PS2 played a role in further progress of XI. Sure the PC was able to have better bump mapping and detail, but other aspects weere always limited to the PS2 ability to display items in variety.

Direct is standard. It is the most popular. Opengl is a rare thing in gaming, and lacks features. We don't expect the PS3 version to be amazing, jsut playable and smooth. Yet don't hold back the game on PC's becuase of the issues faced on the PS3.