Direct X 10/11 Question - Answer (Translated)

[kukurumei]

The overriding reason is most of the world is still on XP. MS made it so DX9 is the common denominator.

They should support dx10/dx11 but don't expect that common denominator to go away for a very very long time.

[Ilean]

The overriding reason is most of the world is still on XP. MS made it so DX9 is the common denominator.

They should support dx10/dx11 but don't expect that common denominator to go away for a very very long time.

Latest Valve poll showed that only 20% of steam users are not DX10 capable.


Anyway. I'd settle for some OpenCL enabled Havok physics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCaGb40Bz58

Hate my knees going through my hauby!!!1111111111eleven /ragequit

[_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_]

Latest Valve poll showed that only 20% of steam users are not DX10 capable.

A poll of Steam users is not representative of the world at large. It is representative of Steam users who opted to take the survey. 90% of Steam users purchased Portal 2. Does that mean only 10% of the world hasn't played it?

Steam and FFXIV are different markets.

Most of the world is still on XP. Most people upgrade their computers on a 5-year cycle. Windows 7 came out in 2009, so XP still has 3 more years before it's archaic.

S-E does need to enable DX10-11 support eventually, but DX9 is still plenty sufficient for graphics-based games (Witcher 2) in the hands of a capable developer. First priority though should be maybe finding a capable developer to handle the optimization.

Anyway. I'd settle for some OpenCL enabled Havok physics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCaGb40Bz58

Hate my knees going through my hauby!!!1111111111eleven /ragequit

Agreed.

[Ilean]

A poll of Steam users is not representative of the world at large. It is representative of Steam users who opted to take the survey. 90% of Steam users purchased Portal 2. Does that mean only 10% of the world hasn't played it?

Portal 2 being a valve game I expect bias towards % of steam users getting it. Set that bias aside and yes, it would mean that 90% of PC gamers have played portal 2.

Also since steam has a huge library with so many different genres I just don't see why steam users aren't representative of the PC gaming world in general. Or how it matters that "Steam and FFXIV are different markets" when we are talking OS+GPU adoption.

[kukurumei]

Portal 2 being a valve game I expect bias towards % of steam users getting it. Set that bias aside and yes, it would mean that 90% of PC gamers have played portal 2.

Also since steam has a huge library with so many different genres I just don't see why steam users aren't representative of the PC gaming world in general. Or how it matters that "Steam and FFXIV are different markets" when we are talking OS+GPU adoption.

Talk about a walled garden...

[Belial]

Steam and FFXIV are different markets.

You do realize that Steam sells FFXI right?

[Wolfie]

You do realize that Steam sells FFXI right?

Shh, don't use logic. Steam is for gamers, and FFXIV player are... uhh... totally not gamers.

[Rentahamster]

You do realize that Steam sells FFXI right?

LMAO

I know a lot of people who played FFXIV but don't have Steam accounts, and I know a lot more people who have Steam accounts but never played FFXIV. I know a lot of people who play some games but not others.

Anecdotal evidence is not strong evidence.

A recent poll of Pokemon players found that 97.3% of them love Pikachu. Does that mean S-E should add Pikachu to FFXIV? I mean, only 2.7% were undecided on their love of Pikachu. Get with the times, S-E!

This isn't a very good analogy. The point was that DX10/DX11 adoption among Steam users was at a fairly decent level, and that the general habits of Steam users and FF14 players most likely have a non-trivial level of overlap. Therefore, in lieu of the lack of hardware data from the people who are actually playing FF14 itself, using Steam data as a general indicator of gaming habits is a decent indicator.

Nobody is saying that Steam = FF14. Only you are saying that.


But wait! Perhaps there IS actual data about FF14 players we can draw on!

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102

In the first players poll, 41.3% of players stated that the feature they find most appealing is the graphics.

Now, if they are gamers who like graphics, I really doubt that most of them are running around with crap GPUs.

[Kailok]

Now, if they are gamers who like graphics, I really doubt that most of them are running around with crap GPUs.

While this is true, FFXIV, even with the settings on low-medium (like mine are in some cases), it still looks like one of the best MMO's on the market.

Not trying to be a jerk, but just because you think a fancy car is sexy, that doesn't mean you can afford one. I like good graphics too, and my system can still run FFXIV fairly nicely, but I'm using a GeForce 9600GT because it was cheap at the time and I haven't been able to afford a higher generation GPU.

However, all that said, I still believe FFXIV should be bumped up to Directx10. Maybe not right now, but maybe a couple of years down the road when Directx10/11 are most accessible to people.

[Delsus]

A poll of Steam users is not representative of the world at large. It is representative of Steam users who opted to take the survey. 90% of Steam users purchased Portal 2. Does that mean only 10% of the world hasn't played it?

Steam and FFXIV are different markets.

Most of the world is still on XP. Most people upgrade their computers on a 5-year cycle. Windows 7 came out in 2009, so XP still has 3 more years before it's archaic.

S-E does need to enable DX10-11 support eventually, but DX9 is still plenty sufficient for graphics-based games (Witcher 2) in the hands of a capable developer. First priority though should be maybe finding a capable developer to handle the optimization.



Agreed.

Heres the thing, people who play ffxiv dont only play ffxiv, and they dont only play JRPGs.

The steam community is absolutly huge, sometimes I find myself just looking on steam at what there is and if I had the money I would have bought loads because it is easier than going to the shop to get em.

Also anyone that needs a high spec PC upgrades on a 3 year cycle, if it was on a 5 year cycle after the 4th you would not beable to play any games new games.

The only people that buy on a 5 year cycle is average users that just browse the web and other things that dont need a highly spec'd PC. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp this site shows a monthly break down of the OS market share, while XP has 40% of the market, 7 has 35% and if you look at it closer for 2011 only 7 has taken 5% of the market off XP, so by the end of 2011 if the trend continues windows 7 (and therefore DX10/11) will be the market leader.

Looking at this information SE would be stupid not to upgrade to DX10/11 before the end of the year when win 7 will be leading the OS market.

And I know you are going to say this doesnt represent the share of people that play ffxiv, but it shows the OS market trends and what SE need to be thinking about is potential players, not the people that play now