Direct X 10/11 Question - Answer (Translated)

[Gypsine]

i just died a little inside from the resounding thought of the terms ps3 limitations being used....

[Akumu]

FFXI: PS2 limitations!
FFXIV: PS3 limitations!
FF???: PS4(5?) limitations!

SE really need to get the right people on their team for this. While the PS2 limitations was understandable not being able to support DX10(at least!) for PC is just crazy talk. I'm sorry though I guess it's not popular enough... for SE.

[Jovy]

I understand the work involved to get the game onto DX10-11 but to say "if DirectX 10/DirectX 11 continue to grow in popularity" doesnt make sense. What other API besides open gl is there? I also agree that to run this game well you need an up to date card. So if SE if concerned about the adoption rate of DX10 or 11; why not start a poll and see what we have to say about it. Who knows... it might solve some issues.

[Reinheart]

I know I posted this thread because I saw others talking about DX and saw JP side had a response from the rep but... stupid question... I don't know whats really good moving from DX9 to DX10? I looked it up and other than it allows the processor to process multiple stuff allowing to render objects better... saw water gets really nice looking, but in FFXIV when on boat the water looks pretty damn good enough to me... Whats the big deal with FFXIV need to be DX10 or DX11? Does it make that much of difference when processing 3d images?

[Wolfie]

I know I posted this thread because I saw others talking about DX and saw JP side had a response from the rep but... stupid question... I don't know whats really good moving from DX9 to DX10? I looked it up and other than it allows the processor to process multiple stuff allowing to render objects better... saw water gets really nice looking, but in FFXIV when on boat the water looks pretty damn good enough to me... Whats the big deal with FFXIV need to be DX10 or DX11? Does it make that much of difference when processing 3d images?

"Allowing processor to process multiple stuff" is a huge, huge item, dude. And it's not really just that, it's allowing for multi-processor support. DX9 old and busted.

This isn't a case of PS3 limitations, this is a case of classical SE incompetence.

[Xeno]

I know I posted this thread because I saw others talking about DX and saw JP side had a response from the rep but... stupid question... I don't know whats really good moving from DX9 to DX10? I looked it up and other than it allows the processor to process multiple stuff allowing to render objects better... saw water gets really nice looking, but in FFXIV when on boat the water looks pretty damn good enough to me... Whats the big deal with FFXIV need to be DX10 or DX11? Does it make that much of difference when processing 3d images?

YES, our framerates would easily double and ambient occlusion/Depth of Field/ General drawing above 8 wouldn't have huge fps drops.

[Ilean]

YES, our framerates would easily double and ambient occlusion/Depth of Field/ General drawing above 8 wouldn't have huge fps drops.

Myth.

Unoptimized DX9 doesn't optimize itself by switching DX10. For DX10 they would have to perform at least the same optimization work as in DX9, then add DX10 features.

Also DX10/11 effects (occlusion, hq shadowing, etc.) aren't that much about boosting performance, but about better graphics, they come at a heavy performance cost too.

[ESAR]

Myth.

Unoptimized DX9 doesn't optimize itself by switching DX10. For DX10 they would have to perform at least the same optimization work as in DX9, then add DX10 features.

Also DX10/11 effects (occlusion, hq shadowing, etc.) aren't that much about boosting performance, but about better graphics, they come at a heavy performance cost too.

I was reading the comments following the dev post and to me it sounded like everyone was flamming about stuff they had little understanding of. Not saying I did either but after reading the comment quoted above it seems I was right.

Honestly, how hard do they have to try, they are putting in a real effort. You all just seem to want to world all at once. Give them some time. There's nothing wrong with the graphics, they're the most beautiful I've seen out of any game out at the moment.

On top of that the engine they are using is completely upgradable, which means at a later date when they decide that the switch is necessary they will do so.

What's needed at the moment is to make the game run better on lower end cards, and talk about auto-attack and things currently in the works.

In the future though yall should try to take it easier on the devs and forum mods, they can only do so much at a time and you'll seem to cut them up over the biggest nonsense. I know no one care what I say, but I feel it's necessary.

I understand that people may be fustrated, but try not to focus your anger, if I was on the dev team I'd probably be discouraged by the hurtful stuff that's said.

Anyway, I think the devs are going in the right direction:
Battle, with core engine design revamps to make the game run smoother, throwing us some content to keep us busy and worrying about the lesser stuff later.

Just give them some time, if you're really that fustrated, maybe you should take a few weeks and just relax, take it easy.

I'm a take my own advice, peace. Life's to short to be stressed.

[Xeno]

Myth.

Unoptimized DX9 doesn't optimize itself by switching DX10. For DX10 they would have to perform at least the same optimization work as in DX9, then add DX10 features.

Also DX10/11 effects (occlusion, hq shadowing, etc.) aren't that much about boosting performance, but about better graphics, they come at a heavy performance cost too.

Well yeah of course, but the DX10/DX11 features in the game currently have huge fps drops because they rely on the processor atm. The DX9 code in the game is optimized... for PS3

[Ilean]

Well yeah of course, but the DX10/DX11 features in the game currently have huge fps drops because they rely on the processor atm. The DX9 code in the game is optimized... for PS3

Aye.

Just give them some time, if you're really that fustrated, maybe you should take a few weeks and just relax, take it easy.

Agree. They need to get the game out of life support mode in gameplay/content areas, then heavily optimize the DX9 engine after that.

Any graphical upgrade should wait at least a year after the above is accomplished.