Healers: Your heals are NOT more effective on WARs than they are on PLDs.

[Paikis]

No really, they aren't. I know the number looks bigger, but the actual effect is basically the same, and actually your heals are slightly less effective on a Warrior.

Take 2 tanks, one of each. PLD in Shield Oath has 5,000hp and the War with Defiance has 6,250 (same health but with Defiance buffing it). Each tank gets hit for 1,000 damage.

The Paladin will reduce the 1,000 damage to 800, will have 4,200hp left and will require 800 worth of healing to top him up to full.

The Warrior will take the full 1,000 damage, and will have 5,250 health left. But Defiance also buffs healing received by 20%. 800pts of healing on a WAR would be boosted by 20% to 960, 40 short of being enough to top him off.

Your heals are ever so slightly LESS effective on a WAR than they are on a PLD. Yes, the number is bigger, but the effect is slightly smaller. Warriors have a certain amount of self healing available to make up for this deficit, so at the end of the day they're about the same in effectiveness.

[NightWrath]

... no one knew that...

btw u are comparing two low lvl tankers...

[Thaliss]

Well it has the benefit to get a new thread for new healers to know about it
Thanks for your input and a clear summary.

The information is lost in buried threads about stoneskin, warriors pre 2.1 etc...

[Ashira]

You're talking about effective HP. You also just contradicted yourself. If basic heals are less effective on Warriors than they are on Paladins, yet they both have the same EHP; percentage heals/mitigation such as Lustrate and Stoneskin would infact be more beneficial on Warriors than they are on Paladins than said heals.

[Paikis]

btw u are comparing two low lvl tankers...

Irrelevant. The numbers work out the same no matter what level of gear they have.

You're talking about effective HP. You also just contradicted yourself. If basic heals are less effective on Warriors than they are on Paladins, yet they both have the same EHP; percentage heals/mitigation such as Lustrate and Stoneskin would infact be more beneficial on Warriors than they are on Paladins than said heals.

No. There is no contradiction.

It may be more beneficial to cast the % based heal on the WAR than the non% based heal, but the % based heal is the same effectiveness on either tank, and the non-%-based heal is less effective by a slight amount on the WAR.

[Ashira]

The % based heal is the same effectiveness on either tank, and the non-%-based heal is less effective by a slight amount on the WAR.

Sorry, I misread your original post, what you're saying seems true.

I am curious however if PLD and WAR do actually have the same EHP. That's the real question. In other words; is the PLD mitigation equal to the WAR HP boost? This is without even taking defensive CD into account.

[Paikis]

Sorry, I misread your original post, what you're saying seems true.

I am curious however if PLD and WAR do actually have the same EHP. That's the real question. In other words; is the PLD mitigation equal to the WAR HP boost? This is without even taking defensive CD into account.

Actually the WAR has a slight advantage because their soulstone gives more VIT. But they are otherwise identical in terms of raw eHP. PLD does get block, but you do not include chance-based defence in eHP calculations. eHP is an absolute worst case scenario, where nothing triggers.

An end game warrior has 9k hp and pld dosen't go even close to that, the difference gets a little bigger them just 1,2k hp.

I am an end-game WAR, and I do have 9,000hp. A PLD with the same level of gear as me will have 7200hp. Do the same maths above again with these numbers and you get the same result. Percentages don't care how big the numbers get. They are in the same proportion, 1:1.25 (the WAR will have 25% more health with the same gear).

[NightWrath]

Irrelevant. The numbers work out the same no matter what level of gear they have.



No. There is no contradiction.

It may be more beneficial to cast the % based heal on the WAR than the non% based heal, but the % based heal is the same effectiveness on either tank, and the non-%-based heal is less effective by a slight amount on the WAR.

An end game warrior has 9k hp and pld dosen't go even close to that, the difference gets a little bigger them just 1,2k hp.

[Everdark]

PLDs are much easier to heal I've found, the ones that uses cooldowns in particular. WARs seem to feel they're above that, so in general they're a pain in the ass to heal

[DeathFiend]

PLDs are much easier to heal I've found, the ones that uses cooldowns in particular. WARs seem to feel they're above that, so in general they're a pain in the ass to heal

Only prob is that WARS dont have CD that they can use as easily as PLD, but none the less do have GCD skills that helps with their healing/mitigation.
A good WAR would proc Storm's Eye and Storm's Path as much as possible (healing/mitigation buff). They do have other skills that "gives" hp but its very situational based (except for Bloodbath) and shouldnt really be used over enmity skills (if the healer is healing right ofcourse).
However, i do believe in a dungeon like WP or AK, a WAR can maintain a fight without heals if they actually try.