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    Warrior Myth Pants what in the world!?

    Why do warrior myth pants have 10 less stats than valor and allagan?? Here's a combined screenshot of all 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodb View Post
    Why do warrior myth pants have 10 less stats than valor and allagan??
    Determination consumes more itemization equivalence than any of the other secondary stats. If you look at any two items of equal level, one of which has determination and the other which has none, the one with determination will end up with lower explicit stats. In effect, determination is valued at roughly 50% higher cost, by the devs, than the other secondary stats, so it will only show up in roughly 2/3rds the amount of the others.
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    Determination has diferent weight than other secondary stats.
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    So that makes determination 33% better than Parry and Crit as a stat? I've always considered parry/accuracy/str/vit waaay better than determination. But then again strength and vitality are main stats and those are equal across the board for the three items
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    det affects the range of the amount of healing you receive and damage you deal, so, obviously, it has higher priority, imo. ( not sure if it does contribute mitigation bonus tho. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by -d-ky View Post
    det affects the range of the amount of healing you receive and damage you deal, so, obviously, it has higher priority, imo. ( not sure if it does contribute mitigation bonus tho. )
    Wrong. Determination has nothing to do with the amount of healing received. It only affects the amount we healers can dish out.
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    Aria Jade
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    determn only effects outgoing actions (eg: outgoing heals, outgoing attacks), and its value is calculated differently than other Core Stat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maku View Post
    Wrong. Determination has nothing to do with the amount of healing received. It only affects the amount we healers can dish out.
    hmmm, i was told by one of my healer friends, will verify it that whether it's true
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingsofWar View Post
    determn only effects outgoing actions (eg: outgoing heals, outgoing attacks), and its value is calculated differently than other Core Stat.
    That makes more sense to me even though I don't understand the math behind it. Accuracy has some kind of mathematical basis to cap at 100%. Determination can continue on adding damage/healing the more you have.

    I probably never should have posted this but thank you all for explaining. When I saw 34 stats across the board except the 24 for warrior i freaked out a little lol :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayvar View Post
    Here are the relative stat weightings for Dragoons:

    Weapon Damage: 8.488
    Strength: 1
    Determination: .323
    Crit: 0.184
    Skill Speed: .152

    This sets strength as the baseline value of 1, and compares the rest of the stats to this baseline. Obviously weapon damage is the most valuable, coming out at 8 times the value of strength, followed by determination, then crit and skill speed. So for example, if you have to sacrifice 4 points of strength to obtain 15 points of skill speed, all you need to do is multiply 15*0.158=2.37 to see that 15 skill speed is really only worth 2.37 points of strength and so it is not worth the 4 lost strength points to switch gear.
    These numbers are for DRGs, but as far as I'm aware, all melee damage is calculated the same, so these should be pretty close for tank as well. I would maybe weight Skill Speed a little higher for WARs, because more skill speed is more Inner Beasts, but its not huge.
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