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    Player
    Altimis's Avatar
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    Altimis Farron
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    Aegis
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Mark my word, Tank without Provoke is useless Tank especially Primal Extreme and Bahamut Coils OR situation you must pull mobs immediately from healer
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    Lord_Zlatan's Avatar
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    Zlatan Tarrant
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    nothing groundbreaking here... you need provoke, and that much comes it up.
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    Grogin Wolfson
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    I think you do need provoke, especially with a fight like Ultima HM where two tanks need to juggle hate. I think Flash is actually more important while going from 1-50 because of the number of mobs that players sleep. It allows a hate generator that doesn't wake the mob. However, after getting to 50, most parties just let me take the damage and don't sleep things, so overpower is the key.
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    Kal El
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    If you plan on doing a role successfully you should try an unlock all cross class abilities. Why nerf yourself?

    Provoke is handy in any situation. If you're raised during a fight you can automatically get yourself back on top of threat.

    As said before provoke is required in coil. I've got a static coil group but if we picked up a war we would automatically assume they have provoke.
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    kukurumei's Avatar
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    Character
    Mei Mei
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Leatherworker Lv 50
    You actually use provoke many times even before 50. Quarn for instance, saves your much trouble on the with a well timed provoke. Brayfox as well, with that stupid gob. And even earlier, by abusing the 20yam range.

    Reset mechanics, roaming mobs, add pops, provoke was always there, just that the content didn't punish players hard enough that players can brute force it rather then "provoke".
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    Charon Akutenshi
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    Lamia
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    It always makes me laugh when people say provoke doesn't generate enmity. In that case benediction doesn't heal. Lol
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    Menae Dulanis
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by sybase View Post
    It always makes me laugh when people say provoke doesn't generate enmity. In that case benediction doesn't heal. Lol
    It doesn't, though.

    It sets your enmity as equal to that of the party member with the most enmity. If you already have hate, it literally does NOTHING. It's not an on-cooldown skill, it's an "I need to be the thing that thing wants to kill" skill that requires FOLLOW UP to maintain, or else you'll just lose hate again.
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    Kidel Aleron
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by sybase View Post
    It always makes me laugh when people say provoke doesn't generate enmity. In that case benediction doesn't heal. Lol
    well, provoke doesn't generate enmity if you use it as fight starter or if you use it when you're first in enmity list.

    it may be even dangerous.
    pld/war starts fight with provoke -> tank gets damaged -> healer/Eos heals -> healer gets hate.

    provoke generates enmity only if you aren't first on enmity list.

    but provoke is a required skill. that's why SE needs to make gld learn it before lv 15, so any war has it.
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    Character
    Teresa Faintsmile
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    Its like 7 extra levels that u can level in less then 2 hours. Stop been lazy people, I dont care how godly geared you are (chances are that youre not), if u tank without provok i will kick you.
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    Kori Fleming
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 80
    To be fair, it actually does generate 1 whole point of enmity no matter who's highest on the list. It should never be used if you're not losing hate/need to immediately pick up an add, tho.
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