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    Tallly's Avatar
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    Tal Morningstar
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    Pugilist Lv 50

    30s and 40s PVP problems

    The main two problems with these two brackets is that

    A) Level 50 players with Relic +1 weaps or even Zenith weapons are queueing in these brackets. Even with level sync, they are so overpowered that it unbalances the playing field.

    B) Said players above are often queueing with FC mates to form premades of mixed 50s and fairly well coordinated non 50s. Result is faceroll against other team. Extremely unbalanced.

    First of all, 50s should not be allowed to queue in level 30 or level 40 pvp. I don't know who's great idea it was, and on paper the idea of playing pvp with any of your friends sounds good, but realistically, it does NOT work out.
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    When pvp first came out many people were queueing for it. Lately the only people who queue for 30s and 40s are premades. When regular players come across these premades and get steamrolled, they do not keep playing. Why would anyone want to play against teams that are well organized and have 50s that can two shot you? Healers don't stand a chance, and the rest of the team doesn't either. All you have to do is look at how many matches are being played to see that barely anyone plays 30s and 40s anymore because of how unbalanced it is.

    Level 50 has a premade bracket, so why doesn't 30s and 40s? Also the issue with 3 people queueing to fight against an unorganized non premade is wrong, too. You should only be able to queue solo or queue as a 4 man premade. I don't see any other way to make it balanced.
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    Tal Morningstar
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    I really enjoy pvp in this game. There are some major problems like how underpowered melee classes are, but I would genuinely like to keep playing. Most of the endgame dungeons are really not that exciting, so pvp is the only thing keeping me playing right now. If it keeps going without any changes, you can expect to see myself and other players quitting the game because it is not well balanced or fun because of it.

    Also 1k character limit and 30 second delay between posts? Come on square-enix, fix it.
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    Player LongNu's Avatar
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    Longnu Era
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    Zalera
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    Lancer Lv 50
    This is a byproduct of the atrocity that is known as 50s. More problems will soon follow.
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    Fyreus Hunter
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    You can use the Edit feature to cram as much as you'd like into the posts but i agree with seasoned vets joining the lowbie fray even though i've done it myself. If they plan on taking this seriously they should look into PvP battlegrounds so the big mix between lowbies and higher levels isn't so compressed such as it is now.
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    My prediction: SE will keep war amazingly devastating in PvP so later down the line you must do lolPvE to get PvP stuff... and that will fix the 'lack of tank' issues. /pets cat.

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    Taneshima Popura
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Sorry to burst your bubble but Lvl 50s wearing Morale gear are not anywhere close to being strong in 30s or 40s bracket. Strongest 30s will be people who attain a full set of multi stat gear off Haukke Manor whereas 40s will be people decked in Stone Vigil + Dzemael gear (Gear must be equip requirement under or same with the Sync level but Higher iLvl).

    Dragoons are the strongest at 40s bracket, while WHM are the stronger healer in that bracket. Can't comment much on 30s bracket since I only touched once or twice. Just for your reference, my BLM 2.5s cast at 50s bracket is 2.19s with food, at 40s bracket it is 2.48s,
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    Tallly's Avatar
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura View Post
    Sorry to burst your bubble but Lvl 50s wearing Morale gear are not anywhere close to being strong in 30s or 40s bracket.
    No offense but I don't believe you know what you're talking about. Please re-read my detailed post. Also you do not seem to have played many matches in these brackets. I've played almost 200 matches from when pvp came out to a couple days ago in both 30 bracket and 40 bracket. Also please note that I do not mention morale gear, nor was I implicitly refering to it. Most of the overgeared players in this bracket have ilvl 90 gear (pve).
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    Gantz Nostromo
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    If a level 50 enters a lvl 30/40 pvp, they will be synced to it, the only thing that lvl 50s benefit from being a fully decked PVE gear is that they've reached the stat cap, and like what Taneshima Popursa said, Morale and the resistances in the resistance tab in the character sheet will be 0, Morale and resistances only works in LvL 50 PvP, so if you want a semi balanced game, if you are concerned with fully PVP geared players, play lvl 30s or 40s PVP, and face roll them there, itll be skill vs skill then (well of course you'll also have the chance to face the dreaded party composing of you know what). So if you want to PVP in lvl 30s/40s be sure to at least be geared in your level bracket. And you'll be able to crate a meme about you killing fully decked pvp players stating "your morale not save you here mortal!" or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gantzdx09 View Post
    If a level 50 enters a lvl 30/40 pvp, they will be synced to it, the only thing that lvl 50s benefit from being a fully decked PVE gear is that they've reached the stat cap, and like what Taneshima Popursa said, Morale and the resistances in the resistance tab in the character sheet will be 0, Morale and resistances only works in LvL 50 PvP, so if you want a semi balanced game, if you are concerned with fully PVP geared players, play lvl 30s or 40s PVP...
    Once again it seems like another person didn't read my post and my detailed reasons for stating why these brackets are broken. Go play in these brackets for a day, fighting against premades with endgame level 50 gear, and you will understand. It was a lot better when pvp first came out, but every time I try to solo queue for 30s and 40s brackets, I'm up against a premade with level 50s. I have no idea why you ignorant people are defending it, and frankly you're not helping.
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    Eremes Beoulve
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    Ultros
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallly View Post
    A) Level 50 players with Relic +1 weaps or even Zenith weapons are queueing in these brackets. Even with level sync, they are so overpowered that it unbalances the playing field.
    1. As others have pointed out, lvl 50 players are stat capped. If a decked out lvl 3X player queue for lvl 30 PvP, they'll have the same stats as a lvl 50 because they're both capped
    2. If someone is more geared that you are, why shouldn't they be doing more damage/survive longer?
    3. What's stopping you from getting geared to compete with the lvl 50's?
    4. If the group you got queued up against are lvl 3X players with gear good enough to hit the stats cap, will you be making the same complaint right now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallly View Post
    B) Said players above are often queueing with FC mates to form premades of mixed 50s and fairly well coordinated non 50s. Result is faceroll against other team. Extremely unbalanced.
    1. If other team is more coordinated, why is it so wrong for them to win?
    2. What's stopping you from going in with friends and be more coordinated?
    3. This is like using DF for titan HM and hoping to down him consistently
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallly View Post
    Level 50 has a premade bracket, so why doesn't 30s and 40s?
    1. Not enough people PvP to have so many brackets, queues will take forever
    2. They simply do not care as much for 30's and 40's because it is not the meta. I don't know about you but if you give me a dev and let me fix anything about PvP, 30's and 40's will be the last on my list.
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