Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Kazamoto]

The conspiracy deepens.

3 Lalafel

Same server, same FC.

Angiline

Cichard

Mailstrum

All believe that one person's time is worth more than 23 peoples time.

except no one is abusing anything.... SE hasnt said this practice isnt acceptable.

According to the TOS there is no rule about showing up at your house and poking you in the eye with a spork. Still does not make it ok.

Does SE actually have to explicitly say something isnt ok before you will realize you were wrong? Can you imagine how long the TOS would be if they had to allow for every possible occurrence of douchbaggery?


Edit

You can add Angiline Smith to that list.

Haha was doing just that!

[KiraJ]

3 days ban for checking the "Join in progress" box, and wanting to actually join a group in progress?
Are you for real?

Yes and he's right. I guess you are one of those ranting when the said thing happens all the time.

[Mailstrum]

there is queue already in progress for a reason.... Why ban someone for using the feature?? Say i only have 30min before i have to get off. Typically i can find an already in progress 2/4 with in 5min of queueing which typically takes about 15min to finish from that point. Woot just saved me some time got to fight the bosses that drop the pieces i need and i helped another group out by filling a role they where missing!!! really ban or punish someone for using a filter and helping other parties out?

[ispano]

there is queue already in progress for a reason.... Why ban someone for using the feature?? Say i only have 30min before i have to get off. Typically i can find an already in progress 2/4 with in 5min of queueing which typically takes about 15min to finish from that point. Woot just saved me some time got to fight the bosses that drop the pieces i need and i helped another group out by filling a role they where missing!!! really ban or punish someone for using a filter and helping other parties out?

If that's all you had to do it wouldn't be a problem. The problem is they queue, there's no in progress at that time, so the pop they get? They withdraw, pushing those other 3-7 people back into queue. Then they do it again, and again, and again. Is it ban worthy, not in my opinion. However, something does need to be done. Either make it so in progress ONLY looks for in progress runs, while having an option that allows people to still queue for both. Or just not tell you when it pops if it's in progress or not.

[Razzle]

there is queue already in progress for a reason.... Why ban someone for using the feature?? Say i only have 30min before i have to get off. Typically i can find an already in progress 2/4 with in 5min of queueing which typically takes about 15min to finish from that point. Woot just saved me some time got to fight the bosses that drop the pieces i need and i helped another group out by filling a role they where missing!!! really ban or punish someone for using a filter and helping other parties out?

The "In progress" tick is just there to verify the player doesn't mind to join a mid-run. It's not there so players with less time could get it done. If that was the case we would have a tick of "Join in-progress run ONLY" which to be honest would be the option everyone would use, which would defeat the purpose of DF as a whole - To match players together.

That said, I disagree with the panelty for it. While I never withraw if it's not in-progress, I am aware people abuse it. But there are those who don't. If while queing I do FATE for example, or another activity for that matter, and the DF pops. And I rather withraw from it and finish that activity, I should be able to without any panelty. And for 3 times in a row too. Some people (especially DPS) wait for long on DF and they should have the option to continue their activity if they wish to be it guildleve or other...

[Thaliss]

I believe a 1 minute lock out would be enough either if your timer runs out or you withdrawn.

1 mn is short enough if you missed to accept because you were afk or stuck in a cutscene or something else.

1 mn is long enough to avoid spamming duty/withdraw.

Those with enough patience would still do it but minutes can add up pretty fast.

[Sove92]

That said, I disagree with the panelty for it. While I never withraw if it's not in-progress, I am aware people abuse it. But there are those who don't. If while queing I do FATE for example, or another activity for that matter, and the DF pops. And I rather withraw from it and finish that activity, I should be able to without any panelty. And for 3 times in a row too. Some people (especially DPS) wait for long on DF and they should have the option to continue their activity if they wish to be it guildleve or other...

But this has become so bad for CT, that there needs to be a penalty if you withdraw too many times. The withdrawing is just a minor nuisance for other dungeons, but for CT, we are talking about 20+ withdraws in 30min timespawn, that is infuriating. You are not entitled to annoy 23 others just because you are lazy. There is a difference between withdrawing because DF popped at bad time and fishing for in-progress. With the latter, you are easily withdrawing 20+ times in a matter of minutes before you find what you want. The penalty should only happen when you queue for CT and only when you have withdrawn over x times. Penalty keeps increasing as you keep withdrawing and the tally resets daily at normal reset time.

[Mailstrum]

But this has become so bad for CT, that there needs to be a penalty if you withdraw too many times. The withdrawing is just a minor nuisance for other dungeons, but for CT, we are talking about 20+ withdraws in 30min timespawn, that is infuriating. You are not entitled to annoy 23 others just because you are lazy.

With drawing does not effect other people.... yes i withdraw and yes you go back in teh queue but you are at the FRONT of the queue so the next tank that queue's up will be thrown if you group. If i withdraw multiple times that just means no other tank has queued and if i didnt queue you would STILL be waiting for another tank... so I am not effecting you in any way other then getting your hopes up when you see the queue pop.

break it down...
23/24 players queue looking for a tank.
I queue looking for 2/4. queue pops i with draw because i am looking for 2/4
23/24 people go back to the front of the queue looking for a tank.

If i dont queue..
23/24 players in queue looking for a tank...
23/24 players in queue STILL looking for a tank.

as you can see the situation of the 23/24 players DOESN't change my actions play no part on your wait time.

[Sove92]

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Only true for a moment. Too many withdraws and you are pushed back. Or how else are you going to explain the fact that the other two parties completely disappeared from your queue and your wait time becomes long again?

Besides, the people in the queue can level a craft and whatever while waiting, but these self-entitled kiddos make it impossible.

[Thaliss]

With drawing does not effect other people.... (...)

Hi,

It does effect people , because you have a windows popping up, you stop what you are doing, you accept and it stops.
And it doesn't stop. You keep getting the window over and over, you can't do anything else.

At least if you don't queue people could do whatever they wish while waiting.