Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Zantetsuken]

There are three potential fixes:

1) Separate the queues - a fine solution, on the surface.. but I think it'll create big meta-shifts in what people queue for. Long term, DF parties will have a harder time getting formed or filled in this two-tiered process.

2) Blind entrance - No more 23/24... Players will have no indication of what kind of PT they been paired with until they actually enter the instance. (this would require a 20~40-sec delay to join in-progress groups in order to match wait times for starting groups)

3) Penalty for withdrawing - I'd rather they not go this route...

Regardless of the above approaches, what is most needed is single-click DF acceptance. Payers should not have to re-accept every time someone drops.

[Doo]

right but thats not doing anything to you...... you dont have to click commence every time that pops.... and if that person wasnt queueing you still would be waiting all that time for someone looking for a full party anyways. So nothing changes except a little bit of spam of the window popping up.

1) It's like being spam by gil spammers annoying the hell out of me.
2) I shouldn't have to pay attention to see if it someone will withdraw or not over and over and if I wait too long then I get withdrawn.

[Angiline]

1) It's like being spam by gil spammers annoying the hell out of me.
2) I shouldn't have to pay attention to see if it someone will withdraw or not over and over and if I wait too long then I get withdrawn.

you shouldnt have to wait for more hten 10 seconds... there is like what a 30 second timer on the pop up. the person withdrawing doesnt right away so if the window stays up for more hten 5-10 seconds then its mostly likely gonna be a full party for a full run. maybe 1 person might end up afk and it go the full timer but that doesnt happen that often. So this is a non issue.

[Doo]

you shouldnt have to wait for more hten 10 seconds... there is like what a 30 second timer on the pop up. the person withdrawing doesnt right away so if the window stays up for more hten 5-10 seconds then its mostly likely gonna be a full party for a full run. maybe 1 person might end up afk and it go the full timer but that doesnt happen that often. So this is a non issue.

10 seconds for 10mins, 20mins, or even longer for every time commence pops up to me is annoying as hell. One or two times it pops up you hit commence, you get in vs check check check check check check check check ok I think it's finally going through this time.

Look no one enjoys farming and skipping steps when possible is nice especially if you don't have the time to play but the system as it is right now is a big annoyance.

[Errors]

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Page whatever previous to this one, I made this suggestion (your's is very similar):
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1783524

I think it would solve most the problems people seem to be having at the moment with this type of behaviour.

Now people seem to be just arguing back and forth for the sake of arguing.

[Angiline]

10 seconds for 10mins, 20mins, or even longer for every time commence pops up to me is annoying as hell.

you are not understanding what im saying.... if it lasts 10seconds its gonna be a full group for a full run. IF THE WINDOW STAYS UP THAT LONG ITS A FULL RUN GROUP! other wise the window will go a way INSTANTLY because the person leaving is looking for an inprogress run. you have to DO NOTHING at all when people are INSTANTLY leaving. And if that person instantly leaving for 10 or 20min never queued in the first place you would still be waiting those 10 or 20min for a group.... So the only thing you are truely bitching about is the fact you get a pop up on your screen for a fraction of a second that you have to do NOTHING with do not have to interact with it in any WAY whats so ever. so thats your big issues wow so HUGE.

[Traek]

I think the best solution is a Withdraw penalty. Honestly it doesn't affect anyone but the person abusing the system, as it should. Make it so after three withdrawals, said person takes a 10 minute wait. This isn't over punishing, but enough to make someone think before hitting Withdraw that third time. It won't punish someone for an "oh crap" moment, if they had forgot to do something, as well as the poor sob grabbing his drink after waiting 30mins already. This also gives a good time frame for the line to move forward without everyone having to see this pesky problem.

Realistically you can't have a separate queue, as it will have more negative an effect on DF. Tanks will only want to queue for this and it will slow down the process overall. You can argue tanks will wait in line at that point, but so will everyone else trying to form a party, and even longer waits then now.

The other method of *blind entering* is not a good one *in my opinion*. I never liked this in WoW, and you can often times skip a boss you might have either wanted loot or philo tomes from. This also can happen when queuing as a full group keep in mind, and could screw a lot of people (including DD/heals) out of gear.

I'm tired of seeing tanks abuse this, and I am a tank main myself. I truly don't understand how people can be so inconsiderate of the 23 other players they keep pushing down the line. You can't tell me groups aren't missing out on a tank pop while you keep locking them in a queue over and over.

[Angiline]

I think the best solution is a Withdraw penalty. Honestly it doesn't affect anyone but the person abusing the system, as it should. Make it so after three withdrawals, said person takes a 10 minute wait. This isn't over punishing, but enough to make someone think before hitting Withdraw that third time. It won't punish someone for an "oh crap" moment, if they had forgot to do something, as well as the poor sob grabbing his drink after waiting 30mins already. This also gives a good time frame for the line to move forward without everyone having to see this pesky problem.

except no one is abusing anything.... SE hasnt said this practice isnt acceptable. So far as it stands now this is an aproved practiced untill said other wise. and they are not pushing anyone down any line. those people instantly are queued again at the front of the line. Thats why they get teh same person dropping queue over and over because there is NO one else in front of them and no one else trying to fill that role currently. how hard is that to understand!!!!!!!!!!!

This post proves my point.

How do you say such thing with such a straight face ?

because no other groups are a head of them and no other tanks are queueing they keep getting paired with this group. If the guy leaving never queued this group would STILL be waiting.

[Seig345]

right but thats not doing anything to you...... you dont have to click commence every time that pops.... and if that person wasnt queueing you still would be waiting all that time for someone looking for a full party anyways. So nothing changes except a little bit of spam of the window popping up.

At the same time, why was the person doing the withdrawing making love to the queue button? It's obvious the queue is trying to pair them with a fresh group. Instead of queueing up 5 times per minute, they could have just waited a few minutes then tried again to give the DF time to ship that party off with another player. Who's to say another player in the needed role wasn't queued but during one of those times when spammy got paired with the same group, the second player got diverted off to the next group waiting in line?

[Doo]

you are not understanding what im saying.... if it lasts 10seconds its gonna be a full group for a full run. IF THE WINDOW STAYS UP THAT LONG ITS A FULL RUN GROUP! other wise the window will go a way INSTANTLY because the person leaving is looking for an inprogress run. you have to DO NOTHING at all when people are INSTANTLY leaving..

You still have to pay attention every time it pops to see if it lasts longer than 10 sec so you can hit commence. Just because you hit caps lock doesn't change that fact.