Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Razzle]

I love how people are saying that its intended that "join in progress" should ONLY allow you to join dungeons in progress. But here is a good question, if everyone could join an in-progress dungeon and not also be in the queue to start from the beginning, then who is going to start fresh dungeons?

This. That's the reason why the feature lets you to ALSO join parties in progress (and not only). So basically if a tank is withrawing because he doesn't join in-progress run, he does NOT use the feature as intended.

Is he allowed to do that? I guess yes, it's not against the rules and SE can't really verify the reason of the player withrawing.
Is it ethic? IMO not.

[Aegis]

if thats the case and there are that many tanks queueing that the nano second it takes for the tank to drop queue then you should get one on the next queue pop.

Existence of one other tank who happened to queue at the same time is evidence of a huge number of tanks flooding the queues?

[Cichard]

Huh? No, I said that giving someone an automatic several minute lockout just for pressing the withdraw button once or having the timer run out would be punishing honest players. My solution only punishes those who are deliberately abusing the system.

but its not abusing the system to look for an inprogress dungeon and dropping from queue till you find one. its intended. so its not making me dishonest by doing this. queueing for the sake of just queueing and dropping with no intention of doing a dungeon would be dishonest and trollish. but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

[faldette]

Makes me wonder how often players spend the same amount of time in-progress fishing that it would have taken to actually play the content they're trying to skip....

Oh, oh, maybe SE should specifically cater to those players and implement a end-of-dungeon-only instance, where you only have to fight the last boss and get the same rewards as those doing the whole dungeon. /terribleidea

[NefGP]

I don't agree with the OP's punishments (3-day ban) but some kind of penalty should be inflicted upon these "DF trolls". It's gotten especially annoying when trying to do CT - I swear the damn thing triggers 20+ times in the span of a few minutes.

[Hanabira]

Could you guys imagine the queue times if there were an option to only join in-progress run?

you have to wait until someone (not a premade) creates a party (basically only people who needs a drop from the first boss),then you have to hope its bad enough that someone ragequit, but not SO bad that the run cant win with a new person. the DPS wait would be HOURS lol..

but its not abusing the system to look for an inprogress dungeon and dropping from queue till you find one. its intended. so its not making me dishonest by doing this. queueing for the sake of just queueing and dropping with no intention of doing a dungeon would be dishonest and trollish. but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

If it were intended, you wouldn't need to keep withdrawing to find one.

[Kaedan]

it does not hurt other players. It does not INFLATE the time they have to wait in any way. If they have a guy withdraw from queue for 30min they would of still had to wait 30min for a different tank to queue other wise they would of gotten a tank inbetween the time the tank that is withdrawing and the time it took the tank that withdrew to requeue. Its not hurting anyone you only THINK it is.

o.O

Very, very incorrect. You realize that there are many hundreds if not thousands of players in a single DF server group that are all using it at the same time, right? As many others have stated in this thread, this abuse of the system by inconsiderate tanks can actually significantly increase the wait time due to the group being leapfrogged. Just a single example of this (there are more) is that the abusing tank takes up the tank slot. But in the time that he is wasting before pressing the withdraw button or letting the timer run out, another tank becomes available. But because of the abusing tank, the system thinks that their group is filled and puts the non-abusing tank that just came on in the next party.

[Nica]

but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

Going by your logic, hiding on the tree branch/speed death pull of AK was also "working as intended" right?

Oh wait.

[Tiraelina]

This, on the other hand, is an example of a poor solution that would punish honest players who happen to be in combat or some other situation where their timer may run out accidentally.

So it's a poor solution because you were already in the middle of something preventing you from accepting or were AFK? Both of which a few minutes are likely pretty irrelevant. I don't see how the honest player is being "punished".

Alternatively you don't understand the need for the queue timing out being included. You don't want to be waiting 45 seconds each attempt from that guy trying to get an in-progress.

[ispano]

but its not abusing the system to look for an inprogress dungeon and dropping from queue till you find one. its intended. so its not making me dishonest by doing this. queueing for the sake of just queueing and dropping with no intention of doing a dungeon would be dishonest and trollish. but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

Actually, you don't know if it was intended or not. SE, with their limited experience with these types of things, not to mention culture gap, may have thought that people would not do things like this. It may not have ever occurred to them. They may of thought that people using it would still take a full run if no in progress came up.

That's the point, you don't know. What we DO know, is it annoys the hell out of the other people waiting in queue.

then again if there are that many people that a nano second of being with a queue pop another group fills i'm sure you will get a tank the next queue pop. I'm sorry but you are blowing this out of proportions for no reason. it doesnt increase your wait time it only seems like it is because you are now getting queue pops...... really... its not a big deal..

He said another tank, not 50 other tanks. You're skipping over the point. You're doing your queue/drop/queue/drop routine. In the next few minutes a SINGLE tank pops into queue, right at the point you haven't hit withdrawal yet. Second group gets it, not the one watching you drop constantly.