Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Kaedan]

why is it less "honest" to use the two options together. How does "Inprogress dungeon" + "withdraw button" = "not honest" I dont understand that. I'm queueing looking for an inprogress dungoen god forbid i keep waiting for an inprogress dungeon. Im not hurting anyone else. I'm trying to help my self as well as filling a missing role in someone elses group. I'm not being dishonest.

I don't think you understand what's being talked about. You're getting two completely different ideas mixed up and confused.

As for constantly withdrawing from queue until you get one in-progress... that is most certainly hurting other players.

[Cichard]

I don't think you understand what's being talked about. You're getting two completely different ideas mixed up and confused.
As for constantly withdrawing from queue until you get one in-progress... that is most certainly hurting other players.

well you said locking out players that are doing this would also hurt "honest players" i dont understand how i'm dishonest because i'm using 2 features as intended.

it does not hurt other players. It does not INFLATE the time they have to wait in any way. If they have a guy withdraw from queue for 30min they would of still had to wait 30min for a different tank to queue other wise they would of gotten a tank inbetween the time the tank that is withdrawing and the time it took the tank that withdrew to requeue. Its not hurting anyone you only THINK it is.

[Kaedan]

well you said locking out players that are doing this would also hurt "honest players" i dont understand how i'm dishonest because i'm using 2 features as intended.

Huh? No, I said that giving someone an automatic several minute lockout just for pressing the withdraw button once or having the timer run out would be punishing honest players. My solution only punishes those who are deliberately abusing the system.

[Cichard]

Huh? No, I said that giving someone an automatic several minute lockout just for pressing the withdraw button once or having the timer run out would be punishing honest players. My solution only punishes those who are deliberately abusing the system.

but its not abusing the system to look for an inprogress dungeon and dropping from queue till you find one. its intended. so its not making me dishonest by doing this. queueing for the sake of just queueing and dropping with no intention of doing a dungeon would be dishonest and trollish. but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

[Hanabira]

Could you guys imagine the queue times if there were an option to only join in-progress run?

you have to wait until someone (not a premade) creates a party (basically only people who needs a drop from the first boss),then you have to hope its bad enough that someone ragequit, but not SO bad that the run cant win with a new person. the DPS wait would be HOURS lol..

but its not abusing the system to look for an inprogress dungeon and dropping from queue till you find one. its intended. so its not making me dishonest by doing this. queueing for the sake of just queueing and dropping with no intention of doing a dungeon would be dishonest and trollish. but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

If it were intended, you wouldn't need to keep withdrawing to find one.

[Nica]

but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

Going by your logic, hiding on the tree branch/speed death pull of AK was also "working as intended" right?

Oh wait.

[ispano]

but its not abusing the system to look for an inprogress dungeon and dropping from queue till you find one. its intended. so its not making me dishonest by doing this. queueing for the sake of just queueing and dropping with no intention of doing a dungeon would be dishonest and trollish. but looking specificlly for an inprogess dungeon is not abusing the system... its using the system as intended.

Actually, you don't know if it was intended or not. SE, with their limited experience with these types of things, not to mention culture gap, may have thought that people would not do things like this. It may not have ever occurred to them. They may of thought that people using it would still take a full run if no in progress came up.

That's the point, you don't know. What we DO know, is it annoys the hell out of the other people waiting in queue.

then again if there are that many people that a nano second of being with a queue pop another group fills i'm sure you will get a tank the next queue pop. I'm sorry but you are blowing this out of proportions for no reason. it doesnt increase your wait time it only seems like it is because you are now getting queue pops...... really... its not a big deal..

He said another tank, not 50 other tanks. You're skipping over the point. You're doing your queue/drop/queue/drop routine. In the next few minutes a SINGLE tank pops into queue, right at the point you haven't hit withdrawal yet. Second group gets it, not the one watching you drop constantly.

[Cichard]

Actually, you don't know if it was intended or not. SE, with their limited experience with these types of things, not to mention culture gap, may have thought that people would not do things like this. It may not have ever occurred to them. They may of thought that people using it would still take a full run if no in progress came up.

That's the point, you don't know. What we DO know, is it annoys the hell out of the other people waiting in queue.

Ok it may annoy them... but it doesnt hurt their queue time in any way. and i'm sorry if someone is gonna queue for an dungeon in progress thats their choice and untill SE says its against the rules there is nothing anyone can do about it. and honestly i think its not a big deal at all and people are just QQing about because they have nothing else to do.

[Kaedan]

Ok it may annoy them... but it doesnt hurt their queue time in any way.

Again, you are flat out wrong. It can and does hurt people's queue times. While that abusing tank is messing with Party A, a non-abusive tank comes on and gets put in Party B because the abusing tank happened to be in-between withdraws and the system thinks that Party A has been filled (it can't predict that the abusing tank is going to withdraw in a couple seconds).

[Kaedan]

it does not hurt other players. It does not INFLATE the time they have to wait in any way. If they have a guy withdraw from queue for 30min they would of still had to wait 30min for a different tank to queue other wise they would of gotten a tank inbetween the time the tank that is withdrawing and the time it took the tank that withdrew to requeue. Its not hurting anyone you only THINK it is.

o.O

Very, very incorrect. You realize that there are many hundreds if not thousands of players in a single DF server group that are all using it at the same time, right? As many others have stated in this thread, this abuse of the system by inconsiderate tanks can actually significantly increase the wait time due to the group being leapfrogged. Just a single example of this (there are more) is that the abusing tank takes up the tank slot. But in the time that he is wasting before pressing the withdraw button or letting the timer run out, another tank becomes available. But because of the abusing tank, the system thinks that their group is filled and puts the non-abusing tank that just came on in the next party.