Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[ispano]

thats not true.... if you look at the dutyfinder 23/24 people are built together... you are all in the same queue waitinig for the 24th person if i withdraw. the duty finder goes back to 5/6 6/6 12/12 the same 23 people are in the same queue together.

So if another tank popped into queue after one of your queues, he would get the group AFTER that 7/8 or 23/24 pushing them ahead and making the group that WAS in front, wait even longer.

Not to mention what someone else said about people finally getting in and having all sorts of varying withdrawal amounts. You're sitting on 23/24 and keep getting drops? One guy in the instance(not a tank) says he got in with 1 or 2. I've seen it happen myself too.

The difference here is i'm not telling you not to do it. I'm going to tell you not to think of yourself as the righteous correct one doing nothing "wrong". You choose to do it, and it can and does affect others.

[Cheeto]

Add a second checkbox that is checked by default: Join From Beginning (JfB). Quick code in the background to select the other box if you ever try to deselect both.

JfB only checked: Same as regular queue now without Join in Progress (JiP) checked.
JfB and JiP checked: Same as regular queue now with JiP checked.
JiP only checked: New queue type. Only searches for in progress runs.

Done.

[ArtEmisPalmecia]

Duty Finder should not tell the person how far along the in-progress group is. Either you join the in-progress group, or not.

The above wouldn't eliminate the issue, but seems it would put a dent into it.

[Nikorayu]

thats not true.... if you look at the dutyfinder 23/24 people are built together... you are all in the same queue waitinig for the 24th person if i withdraw. the duty finder goes back to 5/6 6/6 12/12 the same 23 people are in the same queue together.

Care to counter-argue the following quote then?

Also i have experienced, after 40th(after a lot of times) time someone withdraws, sometimes the DF kicks your pt from queue, meaning, you have to re-register.

The same thing has happened to me multiple times as well (not after that many withdraws though), and is quite annoying and frustrating and a waste of my time.

[Razzle]

People need to remember that in an 24 player content many times there will be a long wait before going in. It's not just 4 players, it's not 8, it's 24. And it's likely to have someone AFK, someone withraw, or someone just not ready. It could always be a different person too for all we know...

What I mean is, with larger content comes larger number of players. And with larger number of players, comes larger chance of someone being AFK, or disconnect, or of people that are busy right now and rather withraw, or people who just abuse it and withraw.

But you need to rememer that if you get a series of withraws it could be all different players and not likely the same player over and over.

[Lord_Zlatan]

That's a pretty lame flaw of the system. "Join in progress" should never interfere with the queues of players who's not even in a dungeon.

which is why they should be separate.

Really, there needs to be 3 choices: The normal DF queue, the join any queue, and the in progress only queue.

[ArtEmisPalmecia]

People need to remember that in an 24 player content many times there will be a long wait before going in. It's not just 4 players, it's not 8, it's 24. And it's likely to have someone AFK, someone withraw, or someone just not ready. It could always be a different person too for all we know...

What I mean is, with larger content comes larger number of players. And with larger number of players, comes larger chance of someone being AFK, or disconnect, or of people that are busy right now and rather withraw, or people who just abuse it and withdraw.

But you need to remember that if you get a series of withdraws it could be all different players and not likely the same player over and over.

Would be nice then if Duty Finder occasionally polled players while waiting...
If player responds = Ups priority to join next group.
If player doesn't respond = Lowers priority in being group into next group (but doesn't remove them from queue either.)

[Cichard]

Ok so i been reading through all of this thread and i really am astonished at how some of you people want to force "your" way of play on other people.
First its not just tanks doing this i've seen DPS and Heals do this as well.

I feel this is working correctly. There is a withdraw button from the duty pop. Whats the difference from a person looking for inprogress dungeon queue pops that withdraw and the guy thats crafting his 2 star item and isnt gonna be done with it in time withdrawing fromt he queue pop. Or the guy gathering or the guy that wants to finish this fate on his alt class. there are several reasons why people withdraw from the queue and any one of them is a valid reason to use it.

To me in my view: Join in progress button + Withdraw button = Working as intended
Crafting while in queue + withdraw button = Working as intended
Harvesting while in queue + withdraw button = Working as intended

These are options that all players have avaliable to them and any reason to use the withdraw button is a valid reason. everyone needs to get off their high horse and stop telling others how to play their game.

[Amyas]

That's a pretty lame flaw of the system. "Join in progress" should never interfere with the queues of players who's not even in a dungeon.

It doesn't though. It just makes you think you're going to get in earlier but nope, you're not.

Also I propose week long bans for that poor, last dps that always seems to be afk right til the last second of a loooong q. How dare they interfere with my insta queues?!? :P

[Cichard]

Care to counter-argue the following quote then?



The same thing has happened to me multiple times as well (not after that many withdraws though), and is quite annoying and frustrating and a waste of my time.

as far as i know thats a totaly different issue a bug in the duty finder. I've seen that happen after 1 queue and NO one withdraw in a 4 man.