Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Razzle]

People need to remember that in an 24 player content many times there will be a long wait before going in. It's not just 4 players, it's not 8, it's 24. And it's likely to have someone AFK, someone withraw, or someone just not ready. It could always be a different person too for all we know...

What I mean is, with larger content comes larger number of players. And with larger number of players, comes larger chance of someone being AFK, or disconnect, or of people that are busy right now and rather withraw, or people who just abuse it and withraw.

But you need to rememer that if you get a series of withraws it could be all different players and not likely the same player over and over.

[ArtEmisPalmecia]

People need to remember that in an 24 player content many times there will be a long wait before going in. It's not just 4 players, it's not 8, it's 24. And it's likely to have someone AFK, someone withraw, or someone just not ready. It could always be a different person too for all we know...

What I mean is, with larger content comes larger number of players. And with larger number of players, comes larger chance of someone being AFK, or disconnect, or of people that are busy right now and rather withraw, or people who just abuse it and withdraw.

But you need to remember that if you get a series of withdraws it could be all different players and not likely the same player over and over.

Would be nice then if Duty Finder occasionally polled players while waiting...
If player responds = Ups priority to join next group.
If player doesn't respond = Lowers priority in being group into next group (but doesn't remove them from queue either.)

[Cichard]

Ok so i been reading through all of this thread and i really am astonished at how some of you people want to force "your" way of play on other people.
First its not just tanks doing this i've seen DPS and Heals do this as well.

I feel this is working correctly. There is a withdraw button from the duty pop. Whats the difference from a person looking for inprogress dungeon queue pops that withdraw and the guy thats crafting his 2 star item and isnt gonna be done with it in time withdrawing fromt he queue pop. Or the guy gathering or the guy that wants to finish this fate on his alt class. there are several reasons why people withdraw from the queue and any one of them is a valid reason to use it.

To me in my view: Join in progress button + Withdraw button = Working as intended
Crafting while in queue + withdraw button = Working as intended
Harvesting while in queue + withdraw button = Working as intended

These are options that all players have avaliable to them and any reason to use the withdraw button is a valid reason. everyone needs to get off their high horse and stop telling others how to play their game.

[ispano]

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You have to realize that intended or not, there's a fine line between allowing people to play their way and stopping them because it interferes with too many others. I'm not saying this necessarily crosses that line, but it certainly might.

exactly this is what people dont understand is that when a tank withdraws from the queue pop its not extending their time. They are infact waiting the same amount of time as if that tank never queued to begin with.

If no other tanks queue during that time that is.

[Aegis]

To me in my view: Join in progress button + Withdraw button = Working as intended
Crafting while in queue + withdraw button = Working as intended
Harvesting while in queue + withdraw button = Working as intended

These are options that all players have avaliable to them and any reason to use the withdraw button is a valid reason. everyone needs to get off their high horse and stop telling others how to play their game.

Provoke button is working as intended too. If I use it to drag a Vassago on top of another team's Vassago it's no less harassment.

Vote Kick is working as intended too. If my premade uses it to kick someone who can lot on 'my' drop it's no less harassment.

Who are you to tell me how to play my game? If my group wants to kick people so we get loot, we can do it, the game allows us to. Get off your high horse.

It's a team game. We all tell each other how to play all the time.

[Cichard]

Provoke button is working as intended too. If I use it to drag a Vassago on top of another team's Vassago it's no less harassment.

Vote Kick is working as intended too. If my premade uses it to kick someone who can lot on 'my' drop it's no less harassment.

Who are you to tell me how to play my game? If my group wants to kick people so we get loot, we can do it, the game allows us to. Get off your high horse.

It's a team game. We all tell each other how to play all the time.

but those things a specificly against the rules to do. Its NOT an option to kick someone so you can lot on Your drop. Thats specificly states you cannot do that. No where does it say its against the rules to queue for a dungeon and then withdraw. Now i see your point if someone withdrew from the queue with the sole intent not to do ANY dungeon whats so ever but JUST to queu and drop then YES that would be harassment. BUT thats not the issue being disscussed here. the issue at hand is Tanks or other classes queue for dungeons inprogress and dropping queue when its not what they are looking for. which is not harassment and is NOT against the rules.

[Edellis]

Vote Kick is working as intended too. If my premade uses it to kick someone who can lot on 'my' drop it's no less harassment.

Who are you to tell me how to play my game? If my group wants to kick people so we get loot, we can do it, the game allows us to. Get off your high horse.

It's a team game. We all tell each other how to play all the time.

So what happens when you get punished for abusing the system?


The real problem OP is having is that the "Join Party in Progress" checkbox doesn't assume you're looking for one. There could definitely be a different queue type that prioritizes progressed parties though.

[Aegis]

Your first example wouldn't be considered harassment, players are free to play how they want- so say the devs anyhow. Vote kick abuse is punishable, however.

Wait, you wouldn't consider it harassment if someone repeatedly dragged Vassagos onto another group, wiping them, and preventing you from completing CT on purpose?

Edit: My argument is, that just because a feature exists and can be used in a certain way legitimately (ie: not an exploit like item duping or locking Twintania/Titan) does not mean that using in that way is intended or acceptable. It can still be harassment.

[Amyas]

Wait, you wouldn't consider it harassment if someone repeatedly dragged Vassagos onto another group, wiping them, and preventing you from completing CT on purpose?

Sure I would, the devs would not. Trust me, I've tried reporting trolls and all I've gotten was automated 'players are free to engage or not engage monsters as they wish blahblahblah' response. The only time it seems they'll step in is if there is verbal harassment.

[Muzy]

There definitely needs to be a cooldown on the withdraw button for the spam withdrawls, make it increase the more you use it in a row, have it reset only after completing an instance.

Sitting in queue and getting hit with the a player has withdrawn for over 40 minutes is not fun, at all.